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| Artistic Legacy » a site of new prospective CHARTMASTERS -The Voice That Built Popular.. » 09/12/2025 6:28 am |
I think every serious Crosby collector SHOULD find the new CHARTMASTERS analysis SOMETHING. Terms after 2000 used perhaps do not apply to Bing and his pre-rock contemporaries, just read it, and try to figure it all out? "The Voice That Built Popular Music"-Yes! / Arriving at this conclusion is fine with me-YET....
| Recording » Bing Crosby - Brunswick 1933 » 29/11/2025 5:50 am |
Ian / about 78rpm record speed needles/
The short answer is that the needle should be heavy enough, yet firm enough to navigate grooves, more so differing from later 45prm & 33.3 rpm speeds/ That said, NEVER use steel needles. Old phonographs of the pre-1930s with steel needles should be avoided. Some old records look beat up, yet play great, without groove damage Others look great, until you play them-the inner grooves are damaged from needles. / The record players of the latter 1940s-50s usually had a 'flip' needle, used for either 78PRM or for both new 45rpm & 33.3 speeds. / Numerous records were ruined forgetting to 'flip' Later 1950s commercial record players would drop the 78RPM speed with a flip needle for MONO or STEREO...Using the wrong 'flip' was again a poor choice. Yet another needle was also developed just for the 45RPM speed, although for most the same needle was good enough for both. The latter 1960s found companies like SHURE, with mounted tips with separate needles to attach to cartridges even more, for high frequency powered record players-something common by the late 1960s.You can still purchase these specific needles../ For myself, after bothering with all that, I found an old latter 1940s "flip" mono record player, plugged into my high-end receiver, exclusively for playing or recording 78PPM records. It sounds great! /I would also caution to NEVER use rubbing alcohol to clean 78s,45s, LPs. /
| Fan Interests » about tours with Paul Whiteman,,, » 21/11/2025 6:15 pm |
Malcolm
I am very familiar with your excellent research. I had thought that another California EMBASSY club would correspond with a Cab Calloway gig in the area. More so the Cab Calloway "Hi de Ho for AUGUST 29,1932" has a printed add noting both Bing & Cab Calloway. Under that it states, 'with Bing Crosby on stage" So that is incorrect. /
Al Capone's Chicago area clubs did include the "Three Duces". Other contemporary entertainers like Ethel Waters, Adelaide Hall, Fats Waller, Helen Morgan, Ruth Etting, & Louis Armstrong also found interest from Capone. In addition to the "Greyhound Inn'-later known as "Montmartre", there were "Colosimo's (still operating after "big Jim" being gunned down in the site in 1920),) the "Cafe de Paris"-bombed, "Cinderella Cafe", "Showboat", "Cocoanut Grove" and the "Cotton Club" in Cicero, Illinois-run by Al's brother, Ralph., and the Metropole Hotel There were others. . While as performers IN clubs, accounts note that they were PERSUADED to perform for Capone personally, in other locations-perhaps one of these noted above?
| Fan Interests » about tours with Paul Whiteman,,, » 21/11/2025 6:10 pm |
Malcolm
I am very familiar with your excellent research. I had thought that another California EMBASSY club would correspond with a Cab Calloway gig in the area. More so the Cab Calloway "Hi de Ho for AUGUST 29,1932" has a printed add noting both Bing & Cab Calloway. Under that it states, 'with Bing Crosby on stage" So that is incorrect. /
Al Capone's Chicago area clubs did include the "Three Duces". Other contemporary entertainers like Ethel Waters, Adelaide Hall, Fats Waller, Helen Morgan, Ruth Etting, & Louis Armstrong also found interest from Capone. In addition to the "Greyhound Inn'-later known as "Montmartre", there were "Colosimo's (still operating after "big Jim" being gunned down in the site in 1920),) the "Cafe de Paris"-bombed, "Cinderella Cafe", "Showboat", "Cocoanut Grove" and the "Cotton Club" in Cicero, Illinois-run by Al's brother, Ralph., and the Metropole Hotel There were others. . While as performers IN clubs, accounts note that they were PERSUADED to perform for Capone personally, in other locations-perhaps one of these noted above?
| Fan Interests » about tours with Paul Whiteman,,, » 21/11/2025 1:33 am |
Alan & Malcolm /
Got it / Eddie Condon's info has got to be where I originally read it. I will also note more so that many people of that generation had recollections of Bing, and others, at many sites, unverified. This well-known Chicago site, then a speakeasy, I think was one of them. Bing may have returned later unverified. Still looking for Bing in St. Louis speakeasy clubs. / Another site I found in the net, an add, perhaps in California, finds Bing and Cab Calloway at the EMBASSY THEATRE, except I can't find in what CITY on August 29, 1932.Malcolm, with your resources may be able to locate?
| Fan Interests » about tours with Paul Whiteman,,, » 17/11/2025 4:01 pm |
Malcolm
I do like Mildred Bailey, especially early. We do know that she helped Bing and her brother in Los Angeles. Bing never forgot her kindness. She also introduced Bing to the now called 'jazz age', with her records of Bessie Smith and Ethel Waters, who were (1925) contemporaries, more so recording artists. (Later, with the Mills Brothers, Bing re-vamped the Waters hit "Dinah") Perhaps Bing, Al and Mildred were on the same stage earlier, in 1925? We also know Bing always seemed to help her when he could, introducing her to Paul Whiteman, resulting in her first official recordings for Whiteman. Also, in later years, Bing helped her with her medical bills.
| Fan Interests » about tours with Paul Whiteman,,, » 14/11/2025 5:47 am |
Malcolm/
The passage of time and actual sites of these performances are becoming less and less. Your diaries and Don Rayno's works become more important, as actual documentations. To be more specific:
-As you note, this Spanish Ballroom in Seattle is not the one associated with Cole McElroy's site in that city. Nor does Rayno.
-The (Dec.12,1929) show at the Shrine Auditorium found Don Rayno noting 'the band' at the event. Is it safe enough that Bing with the Rhythm Boys with Mildred Bailey were also at that event?
-Obviously the Criterion Theatre in Los Angeles on April 20,1930 found 'the band' in New York City-not very near to Los Angeles. Your diary and Don Rayno's account more so concur. Perhaps this Los Angeles site was visited by Bing or Mildred at another time-if so, as of now, not documented.
- I read about Chicago's "Three Duces" or 222 Club, associated with Bing, somewhere. Can't find it, as of now.
-ALSO- Don Rayno has 'the band' in the "Blossom Room" of the Roosevelt Hotel on (Nov.14,1929)-another site that indicate that perhaps Bing, the Rhythm Boys & Mildred were there?
Merging your Diaries and Rayno's info is worth it/
| Fan Interests » about tours with Paul Whiteman,,, » 11/11/2025 10:49 pm |
Macolm
This helps a lot. Confirming Mildred Bailey was definitely on the tour with the Rhythm Boys March,31,1930-April,15,1930. /This "Spanish Ballroom" in the Olympic Hotel in Seattle-was it ANOTHER Cole McElrory's site in Seattle? Or just a ballroom called "Spanish Ballroom", not affiliated with McElroy? We know for sure the orchestra played the McElroy's in Portland-perhaps Both sites in Portland & Seattle?
It is also a sure thing that Mildred was along at the Criterion Theatre in Los Angeles on April 20,1930, 10 days before the Rhythm Boys left Whiteman on April,30,1930.?
BEFORE ALL THIS IN 1929-30
The Pavilion Royal is noted, Aug,31-Perhaps the first time they all performed on the same venue with Whiteman?
The Shrine Auditorium Benefit on Dec.24?
Loews State Theatre, Los Angeles Feb.13,1930?
OTHER/
If you see anything about Bing at the Chicago "Three Duces or 222 Club or in some kind of dive in St. Louis, around this time, please advise/
Thank you/
| Fan Interests » about tours with Paul Whiteman,,, » 09/11/2025 4:11 am |
My own research of old Billboard, Variety & especially Malcolm, Giddens & Don Rayno find some questions. /Specifically noting an April 6 to April 14,1930. There was a Mc Elroy's Spanish Ballroom in BOTH Portland and Seattle. Did Bing & Whiteman appear in BOTH, or just in Portland? Or a "Spanish Ballroom "not owned by Cole Mc Elroy? More confusing is another Seattle site called "Spanish Castle Ballroom", although it is a bit later in 1931-or maybe this is wrong?
There is also the gap between August 1928 to March,9,1929, finding the Rhythm Boys separating from the main orchestra-covered well by Malcolm. Any others? Perhaps in Chicago's speakeasy (Three Duces) or in St. Louis?
Also, I have a question IF the Rhythm Boys shared gigs with Mildred Bailey (Al Rinker's sister), between the time Whiteman signed her (August,5,1929 to April 30,1930-when the Rhythm Boys officially left Whiteman. Don Rayno has Mildred Baily in the Roxy Theatre. on May 8,1930-after the Rhythm Boys left.
Anyone out there in Crosby land may know? /
| Recording » Bing Crosby - Brunswick 1933 » 09/11/2025 3:31 am |
Yes, I have all the American Brunswick originals. Warning to younger or curious collectors-if found-Make sure you use the correct needle, or you will ruin them.
| Recording » New Tricks » 02/8/2025 4:59 am |
New Tricks, Some Fine Old Chestnuts & Buddy Cole in the mid-1950s... / Bing's vocals on these 1950s albums hardly match his brilliant vocals of the 1930s. Buddy Cole's Trio is somewhat of a cover up of these uninspired performances. Cole's contribution to Bing's 1954 "Musical Autobiography LP", is a botched effort, with Decca failing to use many of the original Crosby originals they owned, but that's another story. (This LP was however an event, in which I still have the original LP and the 45RPM original set.) Cole's backing of a re-recording of "Mississippi Mud" WAS more so something good, which an interested Bing. The 1957 single release of this on (Decca-38031) without chatter, is better. Cole's 1955 backings of "Christmas Is A Coming ", The First Snowfall", "Is Christmas Only A Tree" & "Moments To Remember" are good enough. "The Possibility's There", "The Next Time It Happens", "Something In Common", "Look To You Heart", "Suddenly There's A Valley" ,"The Longest Walk", "Old Man River", "In A Little Spanish Town" should never had been attempted. Neither were Cole's 1956 contributions to "Honeysuckle Rose", "Swanee", "Love Is A Home". Cole did luck out in October,1956 when he captured a very interested Bing vocal captured on "Around The World" & "I Heard The Bells On Christmas Day", are easily their best collaboration -brilliant recordings! Bing's 1957 releases of "Straight Down The Middle" & "Tomorrows My Lucky Day" with Cole on American (Columbia) are ok. Decca renderings "Church Bells" & "Rain" were perhaps not worth it.
| Books » What Are Your Favorite Bing Crosby Books » 02/5/2025 4:50 am |
Gary Giddon's is not done yet. I do not have too much to be negative about. In fact, I plan to purchase his last volume about Bing as soon as it is released. /There is a 2004 book by Lenny Kaye called "You Call It Madness-The Sensuous Song of The Croon". It has rival crooner Russ Columbo's pic on the cover. He could have called the book "Crosby, Columbo & Vallee" .Giddon's covered this, and Kaye ADDS more. Kaye also follows Bing around. It's a great read, mostly about the time (1931-1934) that found POPULAR MUSIC defined by Bing, followed by others. / I am not so much concerned about Bing's personal life, although I regard Gary Crosby's "Going My Way" something written to cash in. He needed the money. I also find "The Hollow Man" as something just as mean. Rubbish. As a man, Bing must have had some bad days. He did have family problems. I don't think he was vicious. We do know for sure he helped a lot of people. Lots of charity work. / I do hope Giddons will be able to provide & focus MORE about BING'S sales stats, giving Crosby the credit his legacy deserves. /
| Recording » Underrated Bing Crosby » 23/4/2025 5:21 am |
MORE ABOUT DEEP PURPLE /
I should have noted the excellent Dick Todd version of "Deep Purple" . It' was an odd contemporary challenge for Bing, as the "Canadian Crosby" sounds just like him. / THE contemporary (1939) female version belonged to Bea Wain's fine vocal of a very good song that lingers./
| Books » What Are Your Favorite Bing Crosby Books » 23/4/2025 5:06 am |
As far as something written AFTER a career is over, BOTH Gary Giddins books are excellent ,although I do not always agree on his analysis .I also await his final volume./ Malcom's book is also very good, a good reference./While obviously incomplete, the (1950) mostly in record references, CROSBY ON RECORD is still fun to read, especially noting (US) Brunswick Masters, as penned by obvious Crosby (1930s) fanatics Edward J. Mellow & Tom McBride, If the Crosby legacy had ended here, it still would have been a great career.. Perhaps those early 1930s BRUNSWICK MASTERS ,noting different takes, were indeed his greatest recorded legacy? / My favorite Crosby book is the earlier (1946) "Bing Crosby and The Bing Crosby Style-Crosbyana" by Dr. J.T.H. Mize. His personal 'picks' ,while I do not always agree, are something that grabs you. As written when Bing was MOST COMMERCIALLY successful, Mize's serious (musical) background takes on Bing's earlier recordings, as well as his (then ) current 1940s recorded fodder. He also takes on Bings films & radio, gathers other media ,as well as noting the (then) current rivalry from Frank Sinatra. In retrospective, working with what he had , Mize, while perhaps not an original 1920s-30s follower, put it all together very well./
| Recording » Underrated Bing Crosby » 04/12/2024 5:15 am |
I would rate Jo Stafford's "Keep It A Secret" as the best vocal of another excellent ditty
| Recording » Underrated Bing Crosby » 04/12/2024 5:09 am |
Yes/Other versions of the excellent "Deep Purple" are good, no question. My own ears still give the song to Bing, who originally defined it as a 1939 vocal. /Like so many songs, as I have already noted, it's still Bing's 1931 version of "Stardust" that still rules. (The interesting comment about Pat Boone's vocals actually found him very close to Bing's style, indeed Bing's preference over the rebellious Elvis in the 1950s.Boone's "Stardust' is good, noting a huge debt to Crosby-but that's ok.
| Recording » Underrated Bing Crosby » 23/11/2024 6:29 am |
DEEP PURPLE is a great song penned by (Peter De Rose &Mitchell Parish) that would be recorded later in the rock era and more so became a best seller by Nino Tempo & April Stevens in 1963 with an interesting sound and good singing. Compared with Bing's earlier 1939 vocal, arraigned with an interesting sound backing by Matty Malnick however, it's obvious that Bing was interested. He knew he had a classic to perform. His vocal (this late) is superb. As far as I can hear, Bing defined it in 1939, in the middle of so many of his other recordings, some good, some lesser.
| Others of Note » Dame Vera Lynn Has Died » 20/8/2024 5:13 am |
Prayers & inspiration helped win WWII. During the years of the blitz, my mum told me that she was always tuned in to the (radio) to hear Vera Lynn. She held my (late) mum's highest admiration. She was her very favorite female singer. She wanted to be just like her. I know a lot of her other listeners also felt the same.
| Artistic Legacy » DONALD CLARKE ON BING'S INFLUENCE ON FRANK SINATRA » 14/8/2024 4:59 am |
It's still ok to disagree. If I listen to "Begin The Beguine", I'll still get more into the committed Sinatra version with Axel Stordahl's excellent backing. Staying in the COLE PORTER range of songs, I am not stating that "I Never Realized" is the only definitive Porter ditty that he defined. His "Don't Fence Me In" with the Andrews Sisters, with Vic Schoen's backing remains excellent. His later voice in 1956 somehow met the challenge on the Porter songs with Grace Kelly on "True Love", with Louis Armstrong on "Now You Has Jazz" (more so a late jazz standard with Louis's band)) and with Frank himself on "Well Did You Evah" all reek of excellence and a commitment from all. The fab Johnny Green arrangements for this "High Society" film also included Nelson Riddle) You can say that Bing shared these latter songs. In any case they all have Bing's claims upon them. Maybe I just realized that my ears have noted 5 defined Cole Porter songs belonging to Bing?
| Artistic Legacy » DONALD CLARKE ON BING'S INFLUENCE ON FRANK SINATRA » 07/8/2024 5:22 am |
Sinatra's NIGHT AND DAY with Axel Stordahl in 1942 IS his best version of the song. It also defined the song better than Fred Astaire or the later version by Bing. Perhaps the 1938 Maxine Sullivan version can challenge Sinatra's 1942 version? Bing's 1944 version with Trotter is terrible, although it was a commercial success. / I agree that Sinatra's 1956 IVE GOT YOU UNDER MY SKIN, with Riddle betters Bing's 1947 version with Trotter. So were previous versions by Lee Wiley and Josephine Baker in the 1930s./ Trotter's sedate work with Bing was something that Bing himself wanted. Considering the huge catalog of songs with Trotter that rate from excellent to poor, I would rate Trotter's very best song with Bing IS the fab 1939 recording of WHAT'S NEW. After that, Bing's musical sound changed, sometimes good, and mostly mediocre. Or maybe because Sinatra was more interested in producing a better recording? Trotter's lively backing of Bing & Connie Boswell on 5 titles proves his worth, noting that Bing was more inspired vocally when recording with Connie, / I would also note the old 10-inch LP BING SINGS COLE PORTER, which attempted to group a Porter collection of previous 78s.MY ears find 7 title (backed by Trotter) kind of tiring. The 1937 vocal of I NEVER REALIZED, backed by Victor Young is however better-with Bing's vocal producing a fine performance.
| Film » Holiday Inn VS White Christmas » 02/8/2024 4:51 am |
Ian / I totally agree that the 1942 HOLIDAY INN was the better film. I also rate it Bing's best-all around film and one of the best musicals ever produced by anyone- including the official 1942 soundtrack. / The 1954 WHITE CHRISTMAS film, originally in color, was also hugely successful, with Rosemary Clooney's vocals sadly missing from the official soundtrack recordings issued. A botched job, even though Peggy Lee was no slouch. (I have seen booted discs of the original 1954 soundtrack). Keeping with the film, I have read that Danny Kaye was miscast. Perhaps Hope or Astaire could have been better? If so, I still think the black and white Holiday Inn would still be the better film. Bing and Astaire more so defined it musically. At their best for sure! In any case, the White Christmas film made lots of monies in 1954. Bing, Clooney, Kaye, Vera Ellen were top notch performers who all lifted a silly plot into something likable.
| General Discussion » Pete Cakanic » 02/8/2024 4:14 am |
Pete was a great guy, as well as very informative. As well as agreeing with him that I WISH I WHERE ALLADIN was a fab recording, he also liked the later YESTERDAY WHEN I WAS YOUNG-and got me to listen a bit more to Bing's version. / I miss Pete-my (late) friend /
| Others of Note » Chick Bullock. » 30/9/2023 8:16 pm |
Graham /My own research in my ('Just Remember This'), found Chick Bullock on many labels, including early recordings on Victor. After this, his (US) (AMERICAN RECORD COMPANY) controlled 1930s releases included numerous released on Banner, Perfect, Conqueror, Vocalion & Melotone. This was the same marketing strategy. that
found many (original AMC owned Brunswick) Bing Crosby releases, many at a lower price, in dime & department stores on these same labels.It should also be noted that the name BING CROSBY found ON the record,, more than its title, sold the record anyway. Others, including the likes of Chick Bullock, only hoped to attain the popularity that Bing (then) achieved./Thank you/
| Others of Note » Chick Bullock. » 18/9/2023 2:13 am |
Chick Bullock was one of many of Bing's s contemporaries. A very good vocalist. He also produced a lot of recordings, always hoping to achieve at least some of the success that Bing was producing in the early 1930s.. This 'I'm Playing With Fire" is very good. It has previously escaped me. I would highly recommend finding Chick's early 30's versions of 'Stardust' & "There's A Cabin In The PINES-not Sky! Thank you/
| Others of Note » Did Bing know about Columbo and the cursed ring? » 22/8/2023 5:15 am |
Blonde/ JUST REMEMBER THIS is about popular music produced primarily between 1900-50 Plus. Your local library could most likely get it for you for free, or you can purchase it easily on the net. I cover a lot, mostly old 78s, and since Bing himself did so much to define that era, you have my critical review about Bing's legacy, especially in recordings, radio & films. /Otherwise, I suggest that you find Columbo's version of PARADISE, & compare it to Bing's version. /Thank you/ Colin