Recording » What Bing Are You Currently Listening To? » Today 7:02 am

Yes you are right they both worked for Decca at the same time, but Ian Bing and Peggy have made two albums together for Decca plus singles all of them commercially released and quite well received.

Beside the White Christmas album you mentioned, they both recorded the Road to Bali album, where she replaced Dorothy Lamour.

They also released as single Watermelon Weather" / "The Possibility's There" (1952) and Little Jack Frost Get Lost

Being also fond of their radio recordings there have been compilation albums released of radio tracks from their various shows together.

Peggy was in Capitol before and after her Decca contract that was signed in 1952 an run until 1957. It would have been nice though to see them in a concept album project similar with those he did with Rosie.

Television » Bing Crosby Show (Sitcom 1964-65) » Today 6:34 am

I don't mind the sit-com. I mean, its not my go-to Bing opus. But still its okay.

Measured against so many other films and other project, yes it is weak.

However, family sit-coms are pretty low-brow really. And when you measure The Bing Crosby Show against things like Leave it to Beaver before it, The Brady Bunch after it and My Three Sons contemporaneous to it, then The Bing Crosby Show is a masterpiece. The kids, the wife and the buddy are all interesting characters for Bing to bounce off. The plot lines are fairly progressive for their day too.
If Bing really wanted to do a sit-com he should have had something fashioned for him around some sort of occupation and the supporting characters were quirky folks he knew in his work and in his broader community. If he played a theatre manager and Frank McHugh was his stagehand, it would have been more believeable that his character could sing and dance. He would have also been better cast for his age than playing a father. I know Bing had children in real life the same age as the children in the sit-com...but that is unusual for a man his age.

But, Ian, Bilko is another league all together. This is a masterpiece!

Bing's Co-Workers » Peter Falk » Today 6:15 am

Yes, I've seen Roomates. Great film. Another latter day Falk film I love is The Thing About My Folks written by and co-starring Paul Reiser. He wrote the part for Falk and he agreed.

I think Crosby made a good move turning down Columbo. It would have locked him into series tv and we wouldn't have got the wonderful music renaissance in his twilight years.

However, I think Levinson and Link missed an opportunity to ask Bing to play a guest role, given that he played a homicidal doctor so well in Ira Levin's telemovie. Of course, the doctor would not have been a small town Doctor in the New England area. A Doctor in a Columbo episode would have to be a head of the cardiology department in a major hospital. Or a specialist in a clinic who side hussles as a professor at a prestige university.

The trouble is Bing would turn up looking as shabby as the detective!

New and Re-issued materials » Bing's 100th: Potential Releases » Today 6:05 am

60 years from Cinerama's Russian Adventure too!
70 years since the Bing Swings Whilst Bregman Swings album.
70 years since the Songs I Wish I Had Sung album.

Books » Troubadour Biography » Today 5:57 am

It's wonderful that American universities stock books about their own popular culture.

During my university days there was little material on Australian popular culture in our libraries.

Fortunately we have the National Film and Sound Archive in Canberra that does preserve as much as they can. But they are not an academic institute. 

Books » Troubadour Biography » Today 5:30 am

Since it’s the University of Iowa, with them being a bigger public university, I doubt they would do that, but it’s a nice thought! As much as I’d love the copy of it, I like the idea of it being there for Bing fans who may come to the university. The university has a surprisingly robust catalog of Crosby books, including the Osterholm bio-bibliography, the Morgereth discography/radio/film list book, the Ted and Larry Crosby ‘30s biography, Ulanov’s Incredible Crosby, and even more!

Personal » What non-Bing music have you been listening to recently? » Today 5:21 am

It also isn’t necessarily a strict songbook album, however Ella did an album with Andre Previn in 1983 consisting entirely of Gershwin tunes.

Books » Troubadour Biography » Today 4:05 am

Wow - you should borrow Day By Day out and just keep renewing it as often as you can. Return it and then borrow it again. The uni might then gift it to you when you graduate!

Books » Troubadour Biography » Today 3:56 am

I was able to get a copy of Troubadour recently thanks to Jeremy Rose. I enjoyed what I read of it, though I received it right before I moved, and then shortly after that is when my father got sick, so I never finished it. I agree, there are some assertions in there that I also don’t agree with, but the prose is very engaging.

Malcolm’s Day By Day book, and the updated online version, is wonderful. I don’t have a copy of the book, but my university library does, which was very neat to find out when I was coming to the university.

Books » Third Gary Giddins Book? » Today 3:52 am

David Lobosco wrote:

ModernBingFan0377 wrote:

In some ways, since they had just talked to Gary, I would imagine that the mention of a third volume being in the works is more concrete than the idea has been in the past. I also remember that Gary has said that all of the research is done for the third volume, it is just a matter of writing it. I don't know, I certainly hope that the third volume can happen. Bing's 1974-1977 career has always been so fascinating to me and I would love to hear Gary's take on it.

I agree. I am a little more hopeful now. Have you ever had a chance to read Ken Barne's The Crosby Years. The book is a fascinating look at the 1974-1977 period.
 

Yes, I’m very lucky to own a copy, it’s a wonderful book! I was able to get a copy of it a few years ago, but even before that I would ‘borrow’ it from the Internet Archive.

Introductions » Welcome Aaron Tickner! » Today 3:50 am

Yes, it is John!

Well, it’s funny you mention Peter Falk in 7 Hoods, they had to piece together so many takes of him singing it because he couldn’t hold a tune, haha! He didn’t want to sing at all but Sinatra made him, then he had to record it again for the album, which also resulted in tons of takes needing to be made.

Personal » What non-Bing music have you been listening to recently? » Today 1:36 am

Ian Kerstein wrote:

Did you prefer one Peterson trio from the other with the Gershwin songbooks, Aaron? 
Did Ella do another Gershwin songbook album away from her 1959 classic set with Nelson Riddle? 

I don't think Ella returned to the songbook idea - the only thing that comes to mind - in the early 80s she did an album devoted to Antonio Carlos Jobim.

I can't say which trio I prefer. Overall, I do like the recordings of the Peterson/Ray Brown/Ed Thigpin Trio. However, the guitar trio is brilliant too. In terms of the Songbook series, the guitar trios do tend to allow greater improvisation whereas the Brown/Thigpen trios tend to be more structured/arranged. The tracks also tend to be shorter than the earlier versions. 

Introductions » Welcome Aaron Tickner! » Today 1:30 am

Thanks, I'm presuming John?

Yes, Bing often compared his voice to Andy Devine and others who had a completely different sound to Bing's warmth and resonance. 

Having said that, listen to Andy in Dr Rhythm. He doesn't do a bad job harmonising in the quartet of old cronies...I mean, don't get me wrong...I wouldn't race out and buy any records if he had made any.

Peter Falk is another one who managed to carry the tune when he had to sing in Robin and the Seven Hoods. Not a singer but could "sing the character".

Books » Troubadour Biography » Today 1:22 am

It has been many years since I've read the Troubadour book. My memory is that it is more detailed than Charles Thompson's book. Also, it was a welcome relief after "The Hollow Man". 

He makes some assertions about Bing's singing through the years that I don't entirely agree with. However, Norman does support his opinion with examples. Therefore, I respect his opinions throughout even when I disagree with him.

It doesn't measure up against Gary Giddins' 2 volumes, but then I'm not sure anything ever will in terms of biography. The other great books on Bing, of course are Malcolm's Day By Day (even though I have to be content with the online version - my wife won't let me take a second mortgage on the house), Fred's Crosby Collections and the ICC discography, radio and TV listings. However, all these volumes are intended as reference material and do not fall into the category of biography. They all have a singular purpose and they do it extremely well. 

Troubadour is worth a read as it balances the views on Bing nicely. It doesn't raise him on too high a pedestal, nor does it destroy the incredible contribution Bing made to 20th Century popular culture.

Personal » What non-Bing music have you been listening to recently? » Today 1:05 am

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Inspired by watching Fred Astaire's pretty poor final television special "The Fred Astaire Show" from 1968 (the far earlier three I found to be so tasteful and intriguing), one of the more appropriate guests were The Young Holt Trio, a rocking piano, bass and drums outfit gleaned from The Ramsey Lewis Trio. It's two albums ("Wack Whack" and "Young Holt Limited Onstage") are so infectious to the point that if they don't get your toes tapping, nothing else will. 
Both tracks featured in the below linked excerpt are present on one of each of the albums.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6H2MdX2IFk

Books » Third Gary Giddins Book? » Today 12:59 am

You're right, Pantelis. It can be done. 

There was a wonderful book written a few years back by Aidan Levy on the life and music of tenor saxophonist, Sonny Rollins (who only passed away earlier this year at the age of 95). It covers a tremendous amount of detail. Highly recommend, if you are into the Bebop era. Sonny covered quite a few Crosby songs throughout his career, "I'm An Old Cowhand" being the most outstanding. Also interesting to note with the recent passing of Dolly Parton, Sonny also covered "Here You Come Again".

Anyway, what I wanted to say about the book is the Gary Giddins is mentioned in the thanks and acknowledgement section of Mr Levy's book. Giddins also interviewed him when the book was released. Aidan flipped the compliments back on Gary and told viewers to get their hands on Gary's two volumes on Bing.
 

Introductions » Welcome Aaron Tickner! » Today 12:56 am

Welcome Aaron!

You bring up a good point, I wonder how Bing’s singing sounded to him as he sang…

Personal » What non-Bing music have you been listening to recently? » Today 12:54 am

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Did you prefer one Peterson trio from the other with the Gershwin songbooks, Aaron? 
Did Ella do another Gershwin songbook album away from her 1959 classic set with Nelson Riddle? 

Introductions » Welcome Aaron Tickner! » Today 12:47 am

I think you're right, Ian. 

Maybe that's why Bing was so critical of his own singing. 

Miscellaneous Bing » Post your favorite photo of Bing » Today 12:46 am

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Thanks, Aaron. That's very much appreciated.
Funnily enough, although perhaps not as marked, I've always thought "When I Leave the World Behind" as the better song. It seems better constructed, more varied, less repetitive in both lyrics and melody and more open to the unexpected. Plus it's a hell of a valedictory for Bing.  

Recording » Bing and Fred's Album "A Couple of Song and Dance Men" » Today 12:27 am

The Fred Astaire Complete UA CDs that Ken Barnes released also has outtakes from Fred's sessions.

I remember when I bought the CD of "How Lucky Can You Get" wondering what that thing was near Bing's ear. The next time I went to Les' house I went straight to his LP shelf and grabbed the album. Since the photo was larger, I could clearly make out the item was Bing's ubiquitous pencil and was relieved it wasn't a hearing aid. When I told Les of my fear, he laughed, "Bing? A hearing aid? Not likely, mate!"

There was a great program that broadcasted nationally on AM radio through the late 1980s and 1990s (the show may date even earlier) when I first started collecting. "Sentimental Journey" was hosted by a legend of Australian radio, John West. It was every Saturday night and ran for three hours. John would divide the show into three one-hour programs so the news could be read out on the hour. Although John was more of a Sinatra fan, he did occasionally devote programs to Bing. One of the hours was always devoted to listener's requests and Bing would occasionally pop up there of course.

I'll have to look to see if I still have any tapes of Sentimental Journey. I think I have one he did on Benny Goodman.

I haven't kept a lot of compact cassettes. The only thing I've really kept are recordings of concerts I played in back in the early 1990s. Still, I may have some broadcasts dedicated to Bing.

Introductions » Welcome Aaron Tickner! » Today 12:09 am

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Aaron Tickner wrote:

And I have a great voice for silent movies!

It sounds pretty good to me, Aaron, particularly when you deliver your presentations.
I have a theory as to why very few of us like the sound of our own voices and that is when we hear them outside of our own bodies (such as on a recording), they always seem to sound lighter and with less gravitas than when within. 

Personal » What non-Bing music have you been listening to recently? » Yesterday 10:59 pm

I've been listening to the two George Gershwin Songbooks that Oscar Peterson made in the 1950s with two different trios.
This inspired me to make a playlist on my phone of Oscar playing the same Gershwin songs but from different eras, groups, etc. I've called it O.P. Revisits the George Gershwin Songbooks.

I'll eventually do the same with the other Oscar Peterson Songbooks, I guess. Anyone ever thought of doing that with Ella Fitzgerald? 

Miscellaneous Bing » Post your favorite photo of Bing » Yesterday 10:52 pm

I'm sorry to hear of your loss, Ian.

The other Irving Berlin song, "When I Leave the World Behind" tells the departure of someone from their end. Bing, of course, recorded it on the sessions for "Feels Good, Feels Right". Berlin wrote this also as a tribute to Dorothy Goetz.

Introductions » Welcome Aaron Tickner! » Yesterday 10:41 pm

And I have a great voice for silent movies!

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