Film » Robin and the 7 Hoods » 13/4/2012 11:40 pm

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I think that Bing's performance was one of the few redeeming features of the film.  It was a great idea and it had a formidable cast.  The script wasn't bad. The production values, however, particularly in lighting and shot choice, left much to be desired.  As has been said, there were good reasons for the project not working out as well as its producers hoped. But it's still a great shame. - it could have been so good!  (I agree that 'Mr Booze' was one of the highlights of Bing's screen career.  He was brilliantly supported here by Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra and Sammy Davis jnr. who were clearly enjoying the experience.)

Announcements » A HAPPY CHRISTMAS AND A PEACEFUL NEW YEAR TO ALL » 23/12/2011 10:59 pm

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A very Happy Christmas and Prosperous New Year to all!

Others of Note » Dick Todd » 18/4/2011 10:44 pm

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I think almost all singers when they start out are strongly influenced by earlier vocalists they've studied.  Various factors, however, determine how close they sound like their mentors.  For example,  pitch range may be different.  (My brother tried to sound like Elvis with a vocal range about a fifth lower.)  The musculature and shape of the mouth and throat may be at variance.  Physical differences also affect the tongue, teeth and soft palate.
For a singer to sound very like another singer, physical similarities are present after which style is applied. Even then he may not have a talent for mimicry.   Michael Holliday had a very fine voice in its own right and was able to make it sound like a 'stylised' version of Bing's with relative ease.  Similarly, Dick Todd was able to replicate the more strident tone and husky power of Bing's early recordings.   But ultimately such gifted singers are at a disadvantage.  It's harder for them to develop a trademark style separate from their idol's.  (Though Perry Como eventually achieved this, as did Dean Martin.)
On the other hand, a singer who has no physical similarities to another and no propensity for mimicry, the path is easier if the essential voice and musicality is up to standard.  No matter how much they aim to sound like their heroes, they can't!  Bing's early efforts owed a lot to Al Jolson, but I never heard Bing do an actual impression of his hero. 
Did he want to?  Would he have known how to?

Film » Bing's recordings in films » 04/3/2011 9:17 pm

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I watched 'Nanny McPhee and The Big Band' (your final listing) last week, Malcolm, and I was surprised to find they'd used Ken Barnes 70s production of 'The Best Things In Life Are Free' when they were trying to establish a 1940s ambience.  It clearly wasn't a 40s arrangement and it certainly wasn't Bing's 40s voice!  Perhaps a little more research wouldn't have come amiss.

Announcements » THIS SITE HAS HAD A BABY - a new set of pages » 31/1/2011 10:48 pm

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This site started well and continues to improve.  Keep up the good work, Richard!

Film » Bing's 30s voice. » 14/1/2011 1:08 pm

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It's great that so much of Bing's earlier work is finally available without our having to put up too much with technical limitations.  He certainly had a fine unique voice.  My personal preference is for his late thirties work when he started to sound less strident.

Announcements » HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL with thanks for encouragement and support. » 02/1/2011 12:09 am

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A Happy New Year to you, Richard, and to all subscribers to this board!   May it grow and flourish through 2011!

Recording » More on 'White Christmas' » 28/12/2010 9:39 pm

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A version of 'White Christmas' was released this year in the UK on a Christmas album from the very talented and versatile band from Portland, Oregan, known as  Pink Martini.  Smooth though China Forbes' vocal is, the song in my view is less impactive for the inclusion of the verse.  The album on the whole, however, is to be recommended, not least for an innovative  rendition of 'We Three Kings'.

Announcements » Happy Christmas! » 22/12/2010 12:51 pm

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I'd like to wish all contributors to this exciting new forum a very Happy Christmas and a Prosperous New Year!

Others of Note » Remembering Dean Martin » 21/12/2010 9:44 pm

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A lot of people said when Martin and Lewis split up that Dean, having become famous on the back of Jerry's clowning, would get left behind.  How wrong they were!  However, Dean Martin, for all his success, is probably underrated as a vocalist.  In my view he was the only singer who could match Bing's timing on a laid-back up-tempo number.  His version of 'In The Cool, Cool, Cool Of The Evening' is a brilliant example of 'the art that conceals.....' (see bottom of posting).

Film » CLASSIC CHRISTMAS MOVIE POLL » 14/12/2010 12:44 pm

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I'm also voting for 'Holiday Inn'.  Easily the best because of the storyline, and especially now we can watch it in colour!.   I always felt that a lot of the entertainment basics, not least narrative, were forgotten because the producers were dazzled by their VistaVision and felt they couldn't go wrong with their star line-up.  I rarely watch 'White Christmas' and, when I do I'm disappointed.  'Holiday Inn' I always watch around Christmas time.  (I hope you and your family are well, David,and that you have an enjoyable Christmas - I'll email you personally soon.)

Artistic Legacy » A Fine Article from the L.A. Times re: Bing's Legacy as 2010 ends » 13/12/2010 8:06 pm

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The last paragraph of the quotation from Mary Crosby carries the key to Bing longevity as a performer.  He was impressively versatile in his ability to engage with such a wide range of material.  I do find it sad when jazz enthusiasts don't take him seriously because he could also do comedy, or if people who like show music are put off when he's singing a jazz number.  Some of us unfortunately do like to put our vocalists into rigid categories, and modern singers particularly suffer if they can't be pigeon-holed.

New and Re-issued materials » The Year in Review. Part 1 » 13/12/2010 7:59 pm

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I bought 'Return to the Paradise Islands' when the LP was issued in 1963. The mix was dreadful with Bing drowned by the excellent Nelson Riddle backings.  I understand this fault is now corrected in the complete remix on the Collectors' Choice CD.  The track playing recently on the official Bing Crosby site sounded really good.  I'm looking forward to hearing the rest!

Others of Note » BORN ON THIS DAY: FRANK SINATRA » 13/12/2010 7:51 pm

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I forgot to suggest that Bing supporters who hate Frank, and vice versa, are probably a left over from the days when the publicity gurus wanted to believe that Bing and Frank were feuding.  It wasn't true!  On the contrary there appeared to be huge mutual respect throughout their carrers.

Others of Note » BORN ON THIS DAY: FRANK SINATRA » 13/12/2010 7:47 pm

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Depends on whether you want to hear the 'troubadour' or the 'mood merchant'.  Bing's apparently effortless production of superb tonal quality, if attempted by Frank Sinatra, would probably have detracted from his equally brilliant interpretation of mood and attaitude.

Recording » Question about White Christmas » 13/12/2010 7:39 pm

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The 'dre - e - aming' was what, I believe, Gary Giddins meant when he wrote of Bing's use of the 'mordent', something Bing apparently borrowed from the old Irish tenors he was so fond of.  It was extensively copied by the crooners who most closely followed Bing in the 1950s (e.g. Dean Martin; Perry Como), though Bing used it less and less as his career progressed.  He'd probably already begun to tire of it when he recorded the second version of 'White Christmas' in 1947.

Announcements » AN IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THIS SITE » 11/12/2010 6:22 pm

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Many an open forum is  marred by the kinds of posts you are clearly trying to avoid, Richard.  It's important that we give full support to the ICC and Bing Crosby Enterprise sites in helping promote Bing's legacy into the 21st Century.  The signs are good.  Bing won't be easily forgotten!

Film » HOLIDAY INN. » 30/11/2010 12:15 am

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I'm a convert! 
I was always been sceptical about monochrome movies being colourised for the following reasons:
     The amount of lighting needed to produce the required 'luminescence' for most scenes is far greater for
     colour.
     The lighting plot for a film in black and white has to work with greater contrasts for its best effects.

However,  techniques have now developed sufficiently for these problems to be overcome.  'Holiday Inn' should always have been in colour, and benefits hugely.  *(One problem still to be solved is that of skin tones which show little variation from actor to actor, as in a genuine colour movie.)*

Well worth buying for Christmas - I enjoy it enormously every year!

Announcements » How about this for a great weekend? » 26/11/2010 12:48 pm

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Sounds a wonderful weekend with a follow-up meeting of the 'Bing Crosby Panel' on December 15th!  It's exciting to see such events taking place, even when they're too far away for us Brits regularly to attend.  With the schedules proposed I can't see how they can fail.   I wish the organisers well and hope great enjoyment is had by all!

Member Introductions » Congratulations! » 26/11/2010 12:22 pm

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I'm delighted to see the launch of such an apparently well organised site in the cause of preserving Bing's legacy.  As an occasional contributor to Steven Lewis's 'Internet Museum', I was sad to see its demise.  I hope your site goes from strength to strength and serves to complement the increasingly impressive official Bing Crosby site.
All the very best.
John Walton

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