06/12/2016 12:11 am  #1


Holiday Inn VS White Christmas

Since the election for President in the States is over now, I figure you would be in the mood to vote for your favorite Bing Crosby holiday film - Holiday Inn (1942) or White Christmas (1954). 

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Which Christmas Movie Do You Prefer...





 

07/12/2016 11:32 am  #2


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I agree with Lee - the colour version of Holiday Inn is stupendous and it's the one to have - and vote for!

Years ago I saw James Stewart's "It's A Wonderful Life" that had been artificially coloured and I thought it was dreadful - an experience never to be repeated, so I initially resisted getting Holiday Inn, but technology has come a long way and what has been done is unbelievable in comparison. (I see that UK Channel 5 is due to show "It's A Wonderful Life" in colour shortly. Hope it's been improved since the one that I saw).

But, Lee, "Say One For Me"? Really? I think It's among the very few in Bing's "better not done at all" category, though I agree a couple of the songs stand up on their own merits, divorced from the film.


 

 

07/12/2016 4:13 pm  #3


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The colour version that the late Ken Barnes did was really good. Colours nice and soft compared to other films that were converted. I was a bit apprehensive to buying HI in colour.
I think I prefer HI over WC. Maybe because of the songs.
I know they were only films and story lines but both Fred and Danny gave me the 'pip' the way they kept on white an ting Bing (Fred) and the carry on from Danny re injury.
May be I'm too sensitive.
Oh, here in Morton - 100 mile from Seattle, 50 from Mt. Rainier we've had about 6" of the white stuff with more to come on Thursday.

 

08/12/2016 3:48 pm  #4


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Don't remember that song in the film.

 

11/12/2016 1:54 pm  #5


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I'm adding a post to this thread just to keep it open and on top in the expectation (or vain hope) that we might get more than just eight votes. We have many times more than that signed up to this board and quite a few casual visitors. Where are you all?  Do you really have no preferences? 

Go to the opening message of this thread and punch in your vote.
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Action! Now 12 in total. 
Fairly positive inclination to Holiday Inn.


 

Last edited by Richard Baker (12/12/2016 7:36 am)

 

15/12/2016 10:01 am  #6


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I voted for White Christmas, but for purely nostalgic reasons. The family gathering around the TV at Christmas for the annual screening of the film was my first introduction to Bing - as I'm sure it was for many people.
Having said that, I think Holiday Inn is the better film. Much as I like the pairing of Bing and Danny, Bing and Fred are peerless and the whole "look" of HI has much more of the Golden Age of Hollywood about it.
The "colorisation" question is interesting. I think it's very much horses for courses. I love the colour version of HI, but looking through a list of other great films released in 1942, I certainly wouldn't want to see Casablanca in colour. Yankee Doodle Dandy would be good, though...

 

16/12/2016 5:24 pm  #7


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'The Secret of Christmas' fromSay one For Me is my favourite non- religious Christmas song.
I use the words - it's not the things you do at Christmas time, but the Christmas things you do all year through - on my Christmas greetings

 

28/12/2016 9:09 pm  #8


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If I could, I'd take both, but if I have to pick, it would have to be Holiday Inn, not only because I think it has better songs, but because the pairing of Fred Astaire and Bing Crosby is simply fantastic. White Christmas is a very good musical, possibly inspired to a certain extent by Holiday Inn, but the latter is simply a superb musical any way we look at it. From a present-day perspective, though, the blackface number on "Abraham" (not one of my favorite songs in the movie anyway) may have hurt Holiday Inn somewhat, because it's an unfortunate choice (anachronistic already in the '40s) and arguably makes it harder to sell this fantastic movie to present-day audiences.

 

19/7/2024 10:23 am  #9


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With the exception of the Abraham sequence i'd say 2Holiday Inn" is the better film of the two also as well as Bing's singing there's also Fred Astaire's brilliant dance routine with the firecrackers.

 

19/7/2024 11:57 pm  #10


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STEPO wrote:

With the exception of the Abraham sequence i'd say 2Holiday Inn" is the better film of the two also as well as Bing's singing there's also Fred Astaire's brilliant dance routine with the firecrackers.

Even the Abraham number is okay musically speaking. The blackface is hard to wathc but I tend to look away and Bing was in fine voice for the song. It would have been a better number if Bing was dressed up as Abraham Lincoln in my opinion.
 

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20/7/2024 12:34 am  #11


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Ignore the musical number from Holiday Inn. Listen to it as a recording, and Bing was in fine form...



 

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29/7/2024 3:56 am  #12


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I believe Holiday Inn to be the better film. Although I am more sentimentally drawn to White Christmas for many reasons, I think Holiday Inn is a sharper enterprise with a more natural chemistry between the two male leads and also perhaps a better score of songs from Mr Berlin. The performances and pacing seem far peppier than White Christmas and the comedy seems less deliberate and more naturally assured. 

So far, I've always preferred the original toned versions of films from their original era. I also believe there's an era-honesty and artistic integrity to  keep films as they were initially filmed. As an act of curiosity, colourisation is of course an irresistible one. However, when considering black and white films were carefully  lit, costumed and carefully processed for their original form, the words of Orson Welles comes to mind when asking his future representatives not to allow "Mr Ted Turner" and his "paint box" anywhere near one of his works. 

Did I read somewhere that Astaire was originally offered the co-starring role in White Christmas but turned the script down? I believe this also might have been around the same time his beloved wife, Phyllis was seriously ill? 

 

02/8/2024 4:51 am  #13


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Ian / I totally agree that the 1942 HOLIDAY INN was the better film. I also rate it Bing's best-all around film and one of the best musicals ever produced by anyone- including the official 1942 soundtrack. / The 1954 WHITE CHRISTMAS film, originally in color, was also hugely successful, with Rosemary Clooney's vocals sadly missing from the official soundtrack recordings issued. A botched job, even though Peggy Lee was no slouch. (I have seen booted discs of the original 1954 soundtrack). Keeping with the film, I have read that Danny Kaye was miscast. Perhaps Hope or Astaire could have been better? If so, I still think the black and white Holiday Inn would still be the better film. Bing and Astaire more so defined it musically. At their best for sure! In any case, the White Christmas film made lots of monies in 1954. Bing, Clooney, Kaye, Vera Ellen were top notch performers who all lifted a silly plot into something likable.

 

02/9/2024 7:18 am  #14


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In Australia, Bing's Decca record of 'Abraham' was pressed with  his 'Easter Parade'. The record sold well but musicologist David Kent included neither in his Australian Chart Book.

 

02/9/2024 11:49 pm  #15


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Graham Pascoe wrote:

In Australia, Bing's Decca record of 'Abraham' was pressed with  his 'Easter Parade'. The record sold well but musicologist David Kent included neither in his Australian Chart Book.

I don't care for Bing's commercial recording of Easter Parade. He had a cold I believe when he recorded it and it sounded nasally. I just gave a listen to Abraham, and it is a great song. Minus the blackface, it is a very underrated song from the movie as well.
 

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