18/7/2024 12:37 am  #26


Re: Underrated Bing Crosby

STEPO wrote:

Bing's recording of "Deep Purple" is underrated it seemed to be left off most compilations i think because Artie Shaw actually had the biggest recording of it but a great record nevertheless.

Agreed! When I first started collecting Bing in the 1980s, this was one of the first records my Grandfather played for me. I love Bing's version!
 

 

18/7/2024 11:01 pm  #27


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Mind if I pitch in..?
I've always loved this song and Bing is in great voice for his version of it, but it's such a perfectly crafted melody that I just wish Bing hadn't slightly 'riffed' it for the '...sleepy garden walls...' section in the third bar. It's only a brief departure from the written melody but it just takes the edge of perfection off it for me...

 

29/7/2024 12:05 pm  #28


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When Frank Sinatra recorded  his 1954 version of "I Get A kick Out Of You" he took liberties with the lyric "It would bore me terrificly he rhymed the rrif part of the word to rhyme with the word sniff Cole Porter was not happy with it nevertheless i still think it's the best version of the song at least Sinatra did something new with it. not to go off the subject Bing's version  of "Deep Purple"  he brings something to the song by singing it well.

 

29/7/2024 12:14 pm  #29


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Just checked up  it was Larry Clinton who had the big hit of "Deep Purple in 1939 but the only version i was familiar with for years from that era was the Artie Shaw  version i heard on the radio years ago only was familiar with Bing's version recently.

 

29/7/2024 5:19 pm  #30


Re: Underrated Bing Crosby

STEPO wrote:

When Frank Sinatra recorded  his 1954 version of "I Get A kick Out Of You" he took liberties with the lyric "It would bore me terrificly he rhymed the rrif part of the word to rhyme with the word sniff Cole Porter was not happy with it nevertheless i still think it's the best version of the song at least Sinatra did something new with it. not to go off the subject Bing's version  of "Deep Purple"  he brings something to the song by singing it well.

I agree that Sinatra overdid the emphasis on terriffic'ly too, but you can't deny Cole Porter's genius with those subtle triple-rhymes within the lyric. "I'm sure that if I took even one sniffit would bore me terriffic'lly too..."

There's another one (of many...) in, 'I've Got You Under My Skin'. "...I'd sacrifice anything, come what might, for the sake of having you near, in spite of the warning voice that comes in the night and repeats and repeats in my ear..."

There are lots of examples of triple-rhymes (some admittedly quite laboured) in the lyrics of W S Gilbert for the Savoy Operas, and Porter often cited Gilbert as one of his favourite lyricists.

Incidentally, many thanks to STEPO for reviving some of these old posts..

 

 

29/7/2024 7:16 pm  #31


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Thanks somebody has to Bing's contribution to popular music due to the passage of time is nearly been forgotten about.

 

24/8/2024 11:45 pm  #32


Re: Underrated Bing Crosby

Colin Bratkovich wrote:

The tech skill's of Pete Moore's musical backup for Bing's 'SEASONS" album at least found a good voice for a man in his 70s.The album is pleasant listening. A comparison with Bing's 1934 recording of JUNE IN JANUARY ,is stretching things a bit, however, More modern ears can identify Georgie Stoll's 1934 orchestra dated, (but still great),&  Bing's vocal DEFINED the song. His voice ,of a man in his 30s,was at it's peak, at this time. You can underrate  Crosby in 1934,I guess, but I cannot./

You are completely correct, Colin to cite Bing's voice when in his thirties, being at its peak. It truly was a wonder to behold. Both in its full throated glory and in the differing styles of songs he thankfully applied it to (although this could be argued that he did so pretty much throughout his career).

I'm also so grateful that throughout his thirties, this voice was also being fully applied to his film career. It was such a fortunate collision of popular culture that the peak of the Hollywood musical's output ran parallel to Bing's then sound, in such wonderful fusion.  

As we've discussed elsewhere, Bing's Seasons album is certainly pleasant listening, to say the least. I also agree that the album's production showcased Bing's seventy-four year old voice as well as it could. I think the use of an slight echo sounding effect, complemented his vocals perfectly and was particularly effective on the original pure analogue mixes, as heard on its vinyl release. 

 

23/11/2024 6:29 am  #33


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DEEP PURPLE is a great song penned by (Peter De Rose &Mitchell Parish) that would be recorded later in the rock era and more so became a best seller by Nino Tempo & April Stevens in 1963 with an interesting sound and good singing. Compared with Bing's earlier 1939 vocal, arraigned with an interesting sound backing by Matty Malnick however, it's obvious that Bing was interested. He knew he had a classic to perform. His vocal (this late) is superb.  As far as I can hear, Bing defined it in 1939, in the middle of so many of his other recordings, some good, some lesser.

 

23/11/2024 5:12 pm  #34


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Colin, I remember Donny Osmond singing a version of Deep Purple. I think it was a hit for him in the early 70's.

 

23/11/2024 5:20 pm  #35


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I am back, Donny and Marie did do a cover version of "Deep Purple" and it went to # 14. The song started out as a piano composition with no lyrics. Paul Whiteman did an orchestra version. Than later on lyrics were added and people like Guy Lombardo and Bing as well as others recorded versions of it.

 

23/11/2024 10:08 pm  #36


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Bing’s 1952 record Keep It A Secret is almost totally forgotten and at the time of its release went totally unnoticed. I read somewhere that Bing himself had high hopes for the song and he sung it 6 times in the next few months on his radio show, that’s more than any other song of the same period, Bilboard name the song his best effort in some time but the song reached only no 28 at the charts. Its interesting to notice that some of you have mentioned the same period -early 50s as his most underestimated and that’s right, also Ol Spring Fever that was mentioned above was recorded in 1952. So that seems to bee the period of his career that he was most underestimated and that’s strange because he was still at his prime and he was still working very hard making movies, records, radio shows etc

 

24/11/2024 1:21 pm  #37


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Yes Donny & Marie Osmond revived "Deep Purple" in 1976 it was a minor hit here in the UK , that's why considering that Nino Tempo % April Stevens was a huge hit in the U.S. and a top 20 hit here in the UK in 1963 i was surprised that Bing's version wasn't on as many compilations that appeared after he passed considering the song's enduring popularity was the metal part for the song worn or missing? also Pat Boone did a good version on his classic 1958 album "Stardust".

 

24/11/2024 8:37 pm  #38


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Stepo, good point! Pantelis, I always felt Bing was still great in the 50' s in a different way. Always evolving. I think the the 50' s experienced many changes in music and movies which affected the singer/actors of yesteryear. I was born in 1964 so I did not experience that decade but know all that was going on.

 

24/11/2024 10:01 pm  #39


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I THINK Jo Stafford had the bigger pop hit of "Keep It A Secret" also Country singer Slim Whitman also recorded the song as well.

 

26/11/2024 4:27 am  #40


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Agreed that "The Ol' Spring Fever" is a great, underrated recording. I also really love his version of "The Loneliness of Evening," a Rodgers/Hammerstein song dropped from South Pacific.

This entire thread makes me wish Universal and Bing Crosby Enterprises would do some sort of methodical posting of ALL Bing recordings on Spotify and the other streaming services. Even if they don't do any new remastering, wouldn't it be great for a new generation to have his more obscure tunes available with just a few keystrokes? And a little royalties for the company and the family. Long past time!

 

04/12/2024 5:09 am  #41


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Yes/Other versions of the excellent "Deep Purple" are good, no question. My own ears still give the song to Bing, who originally defined it as a 1939 vocal. /Like so many songs, as I have already noted, it's still Bing's 1931 version of "Stardust" that still rules. (The interesting comment about Pat Boone's vocals actually found him very close to Bing's style, indeed Bing's preference over the rebellious Elvis in the 1950s.Boone's "Stardust' is good, noting a huge debt to Crosby-but that's ok.

 

04/12/2024 5:15 am  #42


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I would rate Jo Stafford's "Keep It A Secret" as the best vocal of another excellent ditty

 

23/4/2025 5:21 am  #43


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MORE ABOUT DEEP PURPLE /
I should have noted the excellent Dick Todd version of "Deep Purple" . It' was an odd contemporary challenge for Bing, as the "Canadian Crosby" sounds just like him. / THE contemporary (1939)  female version belonged to Bea Wain's fine vocal of a very good song that lingers./

 

25/4/2025 7:10 am  #44


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Here is another underrated one I love from 1950. Marrying for Love. I love how Bing sings this one. https://youtu.be/jb3VZUDMqH8?si=UCoaesU9zb80NouZ

 

26/4/2025 1:10 am  #45


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"Marrying For Love" is a nice track. A couple of under-rated Bing tracks that I like are from 2 very different periods in his career: " 'Sposin' " (1929 with Paul Whiteman) and "Watermelon Weather" (with Peggy Lee, 1952)

 

26/4/2025 7:17 am  #46


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Alan, Great choices!

 

26/4/2025 5:29 pm  #47


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Glad that you enjoyed my choices. Like many others on this forum, "That Ol' Spring Fever" is another of my under-rated favourites and it's certainly one of Bing's best 1950s recordings. Part of my enthusiasm for 
"'Sposin'" and "Watermelon Weather" is due to the great arrangements on these recordings (by Roy Bargy and Vic Schoen, respectively). The combination of trombone quartet and rhythm section behind Bing and Peggy on "Watermelon Weather" is unusual and very effective. Bargy makes full use of the Whiteman orchestra's instrumental strength on "'Sposin'" and creates a wonderful setting for the young Bing. 
Sonny Burke's arrangement on "Marrying For Love" is also full of interesting textures especially the use of the low-register clarinets behind the vocal (similar to what Paul Weston and Axel Stordahl did for Tommy Dorsey's singers) and the use of the clarinet-led reed section towards the end of "Marrying..." is also a nice moment reflecting the prevasive Glenn Miller influence as well as the kind of reed section writing Burke did for Artie Shaw and Bob Crosby.

 

27/4/2025 3:57 pm  #48


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Thanks, Alan...

It's always a pleasure to read your musically erudite and informed analyses of Bing's work. It certainly encourages me to spend a few listening sessions going - as you say - 'behind the vocal'.

 

30/4/2025 2:18 am  #49


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Thank you, Jeremy, for your kind words and your great musician's ears, as well. Another favourite of mine (and perhaps another under-rated Bing record) is "It's The Natural Thing To Do" from 1937.
John Scott Trotter drew on a vast vocabulary as an arranger, especially in the early part of his association with Bing and this record an excellent example.
What caught my ear at first is Trotter's use of a "reed choir" made up of flutes and clarinets at the beginning the end of this recording. Trotter has the flutes and clarinets playing rapid triplet figures (that divide the basic beat into three) that resemble those uses by Claude Debussy in the 2nd section of "La Mer". This shouldn't be too surprising as many jazz and pop arrangers of the period very very influenced by the French impressionist composers (Debussy, Ravel) and some of these ideas would inevitably appear in their arrangements for performers like Bing. 
For instance, listen for the flute/clarinet triplets around the 2'53" mark on Bing's recording:
https://youtu.be/Rh2DNfL-nzs?si=NczaeSw9B7PzFHqN
with the 10'51" mark on this recording of "La Mer". 
Debussy: La Mer 10’51”https://youtu.be/KUFpcPEcwTo
To provide real contrast on "It's The Natural Thing...", Trotter has the band swing hard (with the flute and clarinet players back on saxophones) with drummer Spike Jones driving the band with his hi-hats cymbals (much like Basie's drummer Jo Jones did at the time. Spike may have been comedian later on but he sure could swing!) leading to a cornet solo by the Bix-inspired Andy Secrest.  Lots of artistry in what would a have been another day in the recording studio for Bing and John Scott! 

 

30/4/2025 9:14 am  #50


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Thanks Alan - another fascinating example of listening 'behind the vocal'...

'It's The Natural Thing To Do' comes from Bing's very first studio session with John Scott Trotter on 12th July 1937.

At the risk of straying off the topic of the thread, it was great to be able to read along with the score on the YouTube version of 'La Mer'. I wonder if Trotter's charts survive in an archive somewhere? What fascinating reading THEY would make..! 

 

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