01/10/2023 4:00 am  #1


V- Discs

I purchased a few off of Ebay. I am waiting for them to arrive. I want to play them on Victrolas and Crosleys. I would like to know more about them. Is it true many were destroyed? How many were made? How many exist? What else can you Bingsters tell me about them? Appreciate whatever you can tell me.
Thanks! Carmela

 

05/10/2023 6:47 am  #2


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Hi Carmela
If you click on the link to 'Steven Lewis' Bing Crosby Internet Museum' in the index bar at the top of any page on Crosby Fan World, you can navigate via 'Recordings' to an article about the V-discs. I've got a few of them in my collection and because of the 'back-story' they're somehow more evocative of the era than Bing's commercially released discs from the same period. I hope you enjoy playing them!

 

11/10/2023 1:23 am  #3


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Thanks Jeremy! I will check it out.

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11/10/2023 1:26 am  #4


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I am having trouble getting Steven's site.

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14/10/2023 9:43 am  #5


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1997 a 4CD-box distributet by Collectors Choice Music V DISC- A Musical Contribution By Americas Best- Bing Crosby. The box contains 71 tracks. Sadly no detailed information about the tracks. Most of the tracks are from KMH and Philco-radio shows recorded, partly with Bings introducing words. Some of the tracks seemed curious to me, if they are really taken from V-discs. You can read the informative article by Wayne Martin on the link of Steven Lewis´Bing Crosby Internet Museum on top of this Crosby Fan World page, then go to recordings, and then to V -discs.There you can find also a list of all known recordings. This CD-set is now (with all his mistakes) highpriced. I made a look at Amazon and found 4 sets on offer. The price ranged between 450 and 550 € (about 480- 590 $).
A very fine and tremondous work to find practically every titel Bing had sung is "Bing Crosby- A Songography" by Frans W. van der Kolff. It seemed to be the most complete book about Bings songs, listet all official recordings,all radio, TV and concert material with all of Bings medleys, all known private recordings. For example van der Kolff listed  3 pages of White Christmas and 13 pages of Where The Blue Of The Night, every time Bing sang it on the beginning of his shows. And you can find out, on what date Bing introduced his show not singing, but whistling. But will ever be a book about Bing complete? "Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head" is registered only once (TV-version from Cooling It), the 1971 Argentine version is missing.- Also I missing Bing´s dayly shower-songs.
Today there are 46 years gone, as I was shocked- coming home from school- by my sister telling  me that Bing Crosby died in Madrid. But the songs, shows, films of Bing lives for me as long as I will live (on my collection of shellacs, vinyl, CD and DVD). It makes me only sad, that Bing was today- especially in Germany- nearly unknown and unplayed. Even on Christmastime the only song the German Radio  plays is the duet with David Bowie, because David is a legend. In my heart Bing stays a legend too, stay one of the best of all popular singers of all times, an excellent entertainer with good timing. It´s great hearing Bing sing and talk.- Thanks BING!
 

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19/10/2023 10:12 pm  #6


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Thank Dieter! I purchased 3 V discs with Bing off of ebay. Plus I ordered a copy of the CD set. Got it at a great price. Around $20. I will see if the CD truly has V Disc tracks once I get it. I do wish Malcolm and crew will devote some more info on V Discs in the next issue of Bing.

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20/10/2023 8:39 am  #7


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There's a lot on the BING magazine website already, including this.

A History of V-Discs
At the depth of World War II — July 31, 1942 — The American Federation of Musicians, headed by James C. Petrillo, went on strike to seek royalties from the record companies to finance an unemployment fund to compensate musicians who lost work because of competition from recorded music. The strike dragged on for more than a year, drastically reducing the production of new commercial recordings. Bing Crosby, for example, recorded no songs for commercial release during the first year of the strike.
The strike also cut off the supply of new recordings to the troops overseas. Robert Vincent, a sound engineer and a lieutenant assigned to the radio section of the Army Special Services Division, approached the War Department with the idea of recording music especially for the troops. He received approval from Washington in July 1943 and was transferred to the music section of Army Special Services, where the V-Disc program developed.
Vincent set up shop at Third Avenue and East 42nd Street in New York City. His first order of business was to secure the blessings, including waiver of all fees and royalties, from recording companies and unions, including the striking American Federation of Musicians. To get these waivers the Army assured the unions that V-Discs would be for use of military personal only and would not be available commercially. Moreover, the unions were promised that V-Discs would not be declared military surplus but would be destroyed, along with the masters, when no longer of use to the armed forces.
Next Vincent had to secure a name for the project — something more attractive than “Special Services Recordings.” A secretary suggested V-Discs, the “V” standing for Victory as well as Vincent.
The first V-Discs were shipped Oct. 1, 1943, from the RCA Victor pressing plant in Camden, New Jersey. The initial shipment included 1,780 boxes each containing 30 records.
A variety of sources were used for V-Discs: commercial recordings (both issued and unissued “alternate” takes), radio broadcasts, including some from the dress rehearsals of radio shows where no audience was present, film soundtracks, and special recording sessions, often at odd hours and including unusual combinations of musicians. On several occasions network broadcasts were arranged for the purpose of generating V-Disc material.
V-Discs were larger than commercial 78rpm records — 12 inches instead of 10 — and were often cut with as many as 136 grooves per inch so that more than 6 minutes of music could be included. The standard commercial disc was limited to less than 4 minutes per side.
The V-Disc program survived both the musicians’ strike and the War by several years. At the end of the War, Vincent left the army and recommended that the V-Disc program be discontinued. But production continued, although at a much reduced rate, until May 1949. During its 6-year run, the V-Disc program produced 900 unique discs containing 3000 separate recordings and shipped more than 8 millions discs overseas.
Although most of the unused V-Discs and their masters were dutifully destroyed, discs in the hands of service personnel found their way back to the United States and into various ‘bootleg’ collections. One fairly complete set of metal masters and issued V-Discs is in the hands of the Library of Congress in Washington, DC.
On the 50th anniversary of World War II, the musicians unions and record companies agreed to waive their ban on the commercial release of these recordings. E. P. “Digi” DiGiannantonio, who was in charge of the Navy V-Disc program during the War, began the process of transfering his personal collection of V-Discs to compact disc for public sale. This led to the release in 1998 of more than 70 of in a 4-CD package. Nearly all of Bing’s V-Disc material came from his 1943-48 radio broadcasts.
 
Adapted from: Sears, Richard S. V-Discs: A History and Discography, Greenwood Press, 1980.
 

Last edited by Malcolm Macfarlane (20/10/2023 8:41 am)

 

27/10/2023 7:06 pm  #8


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Wow! Thanks Malcolm! I knew very little about them. Thanks for educating me. I only have 3 right now and the compact disc set which is awesome!

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07/11/2024 10:38 pm  #9


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I bought the 4 CD set off E Bay for about £8 at the beginning of the year and was disappointed that quite a few errors were made with the tracks i noticed that they used the commercial recording of "You Are My Sunshine" straight away the Frank Sinatra one Sony put out was better which i also bought on line about two years ago was much better as they issued all the correct V disc versions of the songs obviously as Bing was a much bigger name during 1940s it's quite possible the V Discs that were missing from the set were probably in not a good condition to use if that was the case the commercial recordings that were used in their place should have been left off as there were numerous compilations that had "Sunshine" so Bing Crosby collectors would obviously have had that recording already it was a huge success in the United Kingdom for Bing it was Sir Winston Churchill's favorite song i also wonder if he heard Bing's recording of "Clementine" as that was his wife's name.

 

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