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So last night after the kids were in bed, I put on my album of Bing & Satchmo and even though I have at least two copies on CD, it was great to here the LP of it. It is the MGM pressing and it does not have "Lazy River" on it, but it was still great to end the night with.
My favorite song from the album was Dardenella and Muskrat Ramble. I think I love these two recordings the most because I had them on a 45rpm when I was 7 years old. All the numbers are great but probably my least favorite is "Little Ol Tune". I don't feel like it fit in with the Dixieland sound. However, this whole album was an A+, and listen to Bing closely - you could tell he was having a ball with the recording sessions. He really had a smile in his voice.
Anyone else have any memories or opinions on this album?
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Archiefit wrote:
I've had an exhausting day today, my car died and had to wait to be towed while I had groceries in the car.... I could go on but I'm wore to a frazzle (to quote Lum & Abner). This is to explain why I don't have the energy to go look for my album version of Bing & Satch. But I believe speaking off the top of me head (which is always chancy) that my album version didn't contain the "Little Ol Tune" song and maybe there was another one missing, I'm not sure. But who cares I only listen to my computer version of that album now that came from a CD download, so I'm happy as a clam and I hear cuts from that album on a regular basis now when listening to my music playlist with all other artists (beside Bing) and songs from that lp pop up more now than I ever had a chance to listen to them when all I had was the album. I rarely played my albums, I recorded the albums I liked best on cassette and I'd listen to those regularly. But the computer has been a godsend when it comes to hearing all my music as opposed to rarely hearing it when it was just albums in a bin.
The song that my album didn't have was "Lazy River" which is one of my favorites. My CD copy has it restored. I like CDs and MP3 for the easy storage, but there is just something about a vinyl record sometimes. I have a bunch of vinyl I still need to transfer, but I have some "sentimental" vinyl - mostly Bing that I could never part with.
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I've always loved this album. It was one of my earliest Crosby LP purchases in the very early 70s, as "The Special Magic of Bing & Satchmo", but it was a re-release in the UK MGM/Polydor "The Special Magic of..." series with no sleeve notes apart from a track listing (no "Lazy River"...) so it was a while in those far-off, pre-internet days before I learned of the original 1960 release. In the same series, "The Special Magic of Bing Crosby" turned out to be "Bing Sings Whilst Bregman Swings"!
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jeremyrose wrote:
I've always loved this album. It was one of my earliest Crosby LP purchases in the very early 70s, as "The Special Magic of Bing & Satchmo", but it was a re-release in the UK MGM/Polydor "The Special Magic of..." series with no sleeve notes apart from a track listing (no "Lazy River"...) so it was a while in those far-off, pre-internet days before I learned of the original 1960 release. In the same series, "The Special Magic of Bing Crosby" turned out to be "Bing Sings Whilst Bregman Swings"!
Interesting about how those records were reissued.
It is nice on the Bing & Satchmo album to hear Louis playing the trumpet too. In the last decade of his life, he became more of a pop star and didn't play much on recordings.
I remember having the 45rpm of "Dardenella" and listening to the line "She looks so dreamy in her maiden form bra", and at 7 years old I thought it was so dirty! If I only knew what music would become!
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I like this album a lot, but it is second to last place when ranking Bing's duets albums for me. I simply adore the Bing and Fred duet album from 1975, along with the Fancy Meeting You Here, then this album, and last the That Travelin' Two Beat album. All of them I enjoy though.
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ModernBingFan0377 wrote:
I like this album a lot, but it is second to last place when ranking Bing's duets albums for me. I simply adore the Bing and Fred duet album from 1975, along with the Fancy Meeting You Here, then this album, and last the That Travelin' Two Beat album. All of them I enjoy though.
Interesting how everyone has different tastes when it comes to Bing. I would put this at the top of my duets list - although the Bing and Fred Astaire album was outstanding. I have never been a huge fan of Rosemary Clooney so I never ranked Bing and Clooney's album very high up - even though they were pretty good.
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Good points Archiefit! I'll have to relisten to his albums with Rosemary Clooney. I don't dislike Rosemary Clooney, there is just a ton of other female singers that I like more.
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Rosemary became one of my favorite female singers, so that definitely helps those records for me as well.
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Regarding Rosemary Clooney, I don't know if it was years of smoking, but her voice didn't age well. I can't really listen to anything she did in the 1970s or later. I need to relisten some of her other work thought.
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The BING And SATCHMO LP,released in 1960,found me reviewing it again,with the more recent posts about the previous 1956 HIGH SOCIETY soundtrack LP.When compared to the fab NOW YOU HAS JAZZ recording with Bing & Louis Armstrong,it's easy to note that the sheer excitement of the soundtrack recording is missing.The expectations ,for the full 1960 album,were huge.What results is a controlled recorded effort by Bing,as if it was a radio show- a dull one.Both of these great artists seemingly showed up for a job,with no sparks flying./ The comparision with the Bing And Rosemary Clooney FANCY MEETING YOU HERE,finds both recording artists prepared,as both Bing & Rosemary interested in every track.While Rosemary does take to the singing honors a bit better,Bing's interchanges with her found him up to the challange.An excellent album!No so with Louis..
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This one always confused me due to the varying accounts that Crosby and Armstrong recorded their tracks separately and then were dubbed together. Also I had read at some point the vocal chorus recorded their part with Armstrong and then it was all dubbed together. Not sure. I did find a quote on why Lazy River was not on the original album.
"Eleven tracks were issued on the LP, excluding "(Up A) Lazy River" because Armstrong had recorded it for another company. Permission was granted for it to be included in the All Star Festival LP issued in 1963 on behalf of the United Nations to help refugees around the world. Johnny Mercer sings a few lines with the chorus on this track."Dardanella" and "Muskrat Ramble" were released as singles in October 1960. Billboard magazine commented that the tracks would be popular with "jocks".
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Archiefit wrote:
I read that also that Bing & Satch supposedly recorded their tracks separately, but I find it hard to believe. You hear them interacting with each other, reacting to the other, unless their reactions were all scripted into the song (which I doubt, these 2 reacted naturally when singing, no script needed) I just don't believe they were recorded separately at different places and times. If not, they did a masterful job of sounding like they were talking with each other. A bit too natural sounding to sound pre-planned.
No I believe they were in the studio together. Back in 1960 there is no way they would have been able to make it sound that good if they weren't in the same room. I've been wrong before though!
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Lobosco wrote:
Archiefit wrote:
I read that also that Bing & Satch supposedly recorded their tracks separately, but I find it hard to believe. You hear them interacting with each other, reacting to the other, unless their reactions were all scripted into the song (which I doubt, these 2 reacted naturally when singing, no script needed) I just don't believe they were recorded separately at different places and times. If not, they did a masterful job of sounding like they were talking with each other. A bit too natural sounding to sound pre-planned.
No I believe they were in the studio together. Back in 1960 there is no way they would have been able to make it sound that good if they weren't in the same room. I've been wrong before though!
The use and history of multitracking is interesting....AMPEX....Les Paul...by the 1960's the Beach Boys were utilizing it.
Patti Page was the first vocalist to record her own voice, sound on sound, with a song called "Confess" in 1947 for Mercury records. This was months before Les Paul and Mary Ford had their first multi-voiced release. Four-track recording was the studio standard through the mid 1960s Les Paul had utilized 3-track recording.
(Concise article)
Crosby did do a multitrack recording with his own voice for Decca in the thinking mid to late 1950's...I cannot think of the name but of the song... it was a multitrack with only his voice...can anyone recall that one?
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However you need an account to read all of it.
First the band and singers recorded their parts in Los Angeles. Next Crosby and Armstrong did thier tracks in NY a week later. Then Armstrong did the trumpet tracks a few days after that.
Not sure if it is true or not.
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I hadn't played this album for years and so this lovely conversation propelled me towards my vinyl cupboard and the same MGM LP version David mentions at the top of the page. I found it a complete pleasure and I so agree with you, David with your choices of "Dardenella" and "Muskrat Ramble". I'd also like to add "Rocky Mountain Moon" which I thought a beautifully lilting track with the the lead vocals, Louis' trumpet and the band and chorus all as one.
From a later LP reissue I have, I think I'd also give a nod to the afore mentioned "Up a Lazy River", a song which just seems such a natural for both of them. My mind may be playing tricks - but might I have also heard Bing and Louis perform a radio version of this?. I wonder why this and "Bye-Bye Blues" were missing from the MGM edition? I'm also always surprised to learn that even sixty years ago and beyond, different parts of recordings even then were pulled together from different sessions. Naive little me always thought "our kind of music" began only doing this with Sinatra's digital fibre telephone lines used to conjure the illusion of same time studio duets from his as titled brace of charted albums in the early 1990's!
The album does seem to have some similarities with Bing and Rosie's, "That Traveling' Two Beat" and I must confess an initial disappointment thirty-odd years ago on first listening - along the same lines of Colin's comment, that I was expecting a lot more of the jazzier drive from Bing and Louis' "High Society" duet of "Now You Has Jazz". This thread has now made me think how wonderful it would have been to have had (straight off the back of that film), an album of Bing and Louis and his " …All Stars" group as present in the movie.
However, over the years and due to repeated plays - I've become very fond of "Bing and Satchmo" and appreciated its more mainstream, easy listening sensibilities with the chorus, arrangements and of the course the shining vocals of its two fabulous leads.
Duets wise (and also favourite-album-of-all-time-wise), it's always going to be Bing and Rosie's, "Fancy Meeting You Here" for me, due to a combination of it being (outside a compilation), the first album of Bing's I ever heard and just such an incredibly joyful, rip-roaring musical meeting of the minds of Messrs Crosby, May and Ms Clooney.
Thank you David and everyone for helping me re-visit a long neglected album. It's now made me think of purchasing a CD or indeed original LP with all the tracks present on one!
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"Bing And Satchmo" was one of the best albums from both singers catalogue sad that they didn't get to record another one together as well as "High Society" songs on soundtrack album.
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Great album. However, it would have been better if it was Bing with Louis' All-Stars. Now that would have been an album.
Don't get me wrong - I love Billy May's work. I just think an album with the All-Stars would have been better.
Dardenella, Muskrat Ramble & Lazy River already mentioned are certainly highlights.
However, Pops' trumpet playing on The Preacher is outstanding. And I love Sugar. Bing makes chemistry cool.
The Preacher was almost going to be the opening track to my Bingville Buglers presentation for the ICC Online Meetings. However, I deliberately went looking for something from their radio work where Satchmo exclusively played trumpet and didn't sing - that's why My Honey's Lovin' Arms from a Chesterfield Show became the opener.
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ModernBingFan0377 wrote:
I like this album a lot, but it is second to last place when ranking Bing's duets albums for me. I simply adore the Bing and Fred duet album from 1975, along with the Fancy Meeting You Here, then this album, and last the That Travelin' Two Beat album. All of them I enjoy though.
"Fancy Meeting You Here" will always be tops for me, not only as Bing's best duet album but also his best album and my very favourite album of all time. The incredible mixture of perfectly chosen songs, the wonderfully riotous but also often subtly intricate arrangements of Billy May and the complete meeting of the musical minds of Bing and Rosie have made this a constant pleasure of mine over the past forty-four years. Joyful.
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Aaron Tickner wrote:
Great album. However, it would have been better if it was Bing with Louis' All-Stars. Now that would have been an album.
Don't get me wrong - I love Billy May's work. I just think an album with the All-Stars would have been better.
Dardenella, Muskrat Ramble & Lazy River already mentioned are certainly highlights.
However, Pops' trumpet playing on The Preacher is outstanding. And I love Sugar. Bing makes chemistry cool.
The Preacher was almost going to be the opening track to my Bingville Buglers presentation for the ICC Online Meetings. However, I deliberately went looking for something from their radio work where Satchmo exclusively played trumpet and didn't sing - that's why My Honey's Lovin' Arms from a Chesterfield Show became the opener.
I could not agree with you more, Aaron. I naively thought when I bought my second hand vinyl copy many decades ago that it would automatically be Louis with his All Stars. I think if there had to be just one album with Pops and Bing, I would have plumped for one with his All Stars.
I really, really enjoy this album and think it was very well made and produced. It has a warmth to it that I so enjoy.
I stand by everything I previously said about it ....
However, your comments have reminded me of my initial dissapointment of that high blowing, free wheeling spirit isn't nearly as present on the album at hand and when listening to it, I also ache for some solos from his All Stars, too when instead we have a vocal chorus. A very well meaning and enjoyable project could in other hands, have been a great one.
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Ian Kerstein wrote:
Aaron Tickner wrote:
Great album. However, it would have been better if it was Bing with Louis' All-Stars. Now that would have been an album.
Don't get me wrong - I love Billy May's work. I just think an album with the All-Stars would have been better.
Dardenella, Muskrat Ramble & Lazy River already mentioned are certainly highlights.
However, Pops' trumpet playing on The Preacher is outstanding. And I love Sugar. Bing makes chemistry cool.
The Preacher was almost going to be the opening track to my Bingville Buglers presentation for the ICC Online Meetings. However, I deliberately went looking for something from their radio work where Satchmo exclusively played trumpet and didn't sing - that's why My Honey's Lovin' Arms from a Chesterfield Show became the opener.I could not agree with you more, Aaron. I naively thought when I bought my second hand vinyl copy many decades ago that it would automatically be Louis with his All Stars. I think if there had to be just one album with Pops and Bing, I would have plumped for one with his All Stars.
I really, really enjoy this album and think it was very well made and produced. It has a warmth to it that I so enjoy.
I stand by everything I previously said about it ....
However, your comments have reminded me of my initial dissapointment of that high blowing, free wheeling spirit isn't nearly as present on the album at hand and when listening to it, I also ache for some solos from his All Stars, too when instead we have a vocal chorus. A very well meaning and enjoyable project could in other hands, have been a great one.
Ian, I generally agree about the backing vocals being unnecessary. However, in their defence, the counter melody they sing on Lazy River is a solo Pops played on an earlier recording (maybe from the Decca years?). Johnny Mercer added the lyrics. If the producers had chosen repertoire that Louis had previously recorded and Johnny Mercer had done that across the album that would justify the presence of the backing vocals throughout.
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Oh I see. So at least the chorus was faithful to some earlier roots. The chorus does sound well placed and not too intrusive it's just that your perceptive words so reminded me of my previous disappointment all those years ago. Over the decades, I then became very fond of the album and now so, so wish again that it could have been Bing with Louis and his All Stars. By the way, do you know if their earlier commercially released recording of "Gone Fishing" was from a radio show?
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Ian, if you read the Malcolm's liner notes to Through the Years Volume 2, and listen to the two takes it will be more clear.
Both versions were made for the Chesterfield broadcast of 25 April 1951. The A take was taped in advanced as a back-up without the studio audience and then the B take was done as part of the show in front of the audience. I haven't listened to the show to hear which version was used for broadcast. I assume from Malcolm's notes that the A take was for the Decca release and the B take stayed in the broadcast. Anyway, both versions are on the Sepia release together.
Great song & great performance from my two absolute favourites. The only problem - no trumpet from Pops!
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Oh, thank you, Aaron - this makes it much clearer.
I sometimes forget that from the mid-forties onwards, Bing's radio shows were being recorded on his developed Ampex magnetic tape and so they were crystal sounding, edited shows and tracks.
Time again to hang my head in shame because after just undertaking a search, I don't own any of the "Through the Years" CDs. I often confuse them with the shorter "Good and Rare" Sepia series (liner notes, again by our esteemed Malcolm). Come to think of it a few years back, just before joining the ICC, I do remember looking into buying them and pouring all over the tracks.
Yes, I had forgotten that there's no trumpet from Pops on this one. But can we forgive this because of the sheer sleepy peace of the song and peerless vocal delivery of those two beyond greats? Why were they so perfect together in every way?
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Ian Kerstein wrote:
Oh, thank you, Aaron - this makes it much clearer.
I sometimes forget that from the mid-forties onwards, Bing's radio shows were being recorded on his developed Ampex magnetic tape and so they were crystal sounding, edited shows and tracks.
Time again to hang my head in shame because after just undertaking a search, I don't own any of the "Through the Years" CDs. I often confuse them with the shorter "Good and Rare" Sepia series (liner notes, again by our esteemed Malcolm). Come to think of it a few years back, just before joining the ICC, I do remember looking into buying them and pouring all over the tracks.
Yes, I had forgotten that there's no trumpet from Pops on this one. But can we forgive this because of the sheer sleepy peace of the song and peerless vocal delivery of those two beyond greats? Why were they so perfect together in every way?
Why were they so perfect together in every way?
Simple: They both instinctively knew where the quaver/eighth note pulse sits in jazz. I can write so much more about their musicianship together but everything will come back to this simple fact. Not everyone gets that pulse. They may get close because they learn it, but for Bing and Pops it was instinctive.
I'm sure their hearts pumped to a swing beat (or is that not healthy?).
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Goodness me, I think that is the most succinct musical explanation and I am certain (even though I am not musically trained but bow to your expertise) to ever receive. I'll have to look this up.
The chemistry and the sheer goodwill (musical and otherwise) they extolled is both so moving and effortlessly humorous .
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