14/10/2019 8:58 am  #1


Bing and London Symphony Orchestra at Christmas

Or Bing goes classical in "Bing At Christmas"

Out in time to enjoy it for a month in the lead up to Christmas!

https://www.udiscovermusic.com/classical-news/bing-crosby-bing-at-christmas/

 

14/10/2019 11:49 am  #2


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This is wonderful news! I noticed the cd yesterday when searching for new Crosby material on Amazon. The information at that time was not available, so I had no idea whether this was a re-release or something else. What triggered me though was the only snippet of information that was available yesterday: 'Released by Decca Records'.

May I ask attention for the preview of the album on YouTube? It's also in the article Richard linked above, but better twice than never:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opfg34SwMLI

 

15/10/2019 12:43 pm  #3


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I heard the Ella Fitzgerald CD with the London Symphony, and it was pretty good. I will probably buy it to support Bing, but I prefer the originals.

 

15/10/2019 9:05 pm  #4


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I have to say that I think it’s a bit optimistic to expect “White Christmas” to be at the top of the UK charts at Christmas - but you never know, and it would be nice to see the album getting a bit of a pre-Christmas TV publicity campaign...

 

15/10/2019 9:08 pm  #5


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Presumably there’s some BCE involvement in the release..?

 

15/10/2019 10:37 pm  #6


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jeremyrose wrote:

Presumably there’s some BCE involvement in the release..?

Involvement of the family, obviously, but formal involvement of  the business organisation  BCE is not obvious - no claims of it and no obvious logos displayed. However Bing Crosby.com are promoting it - see 
https://bingcrosby.com/brand-new-bing-crosby-orchestral-album-announced-on-his-anniversary





 

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16/10/2019 2:20 am  #7


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I listened to the "new" White Christmas". Not to be negative, but I wasn't impressed. The orchestration is way too loud and over powering as it backs Bing's 1942 version.

 

16/10/2019 2:27 pm  #8


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Hi David, where have you heard Bing with the LSO's  White Christmas? I only know of the promotion video with snippets of songs (which is mentioned above in this thread). I would like to hear the preview of White Christmas you are referring to.

 

16/10/2019 3:26 pm  #9


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frans wrote:

Hi David, where have you heard Bing with the LSO's  White Christmas? I only know of the promotion video with snippets of songs (which is mentioned above in this thread). I would like to hear the preview of White Christmas you are referring to.

Frans, I suspect that David refers to the short snatch in the promotion video. Malcolm has even managed to detect that they have used the original version (1942).  Personally I have mixed feelings. Part of me says it is wrong to meddle with the originals that we all know and love. And do those lush strings really fit the mood - which I always think of as plaintive longing. On the other hand, it might widen the appeal and gain a new audience.
More realistically possibly the audience will be drawn mainly from existing devotees.
 
 

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16/10/2019 3:44 pm  #10


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Oh, thank you Richard. I probably misunderstood.

I did give the Ella Fitzgerald allbum with the LSO a listen - thanks for mentioning this, David. You can hear 30 second previews on Amazon (uk) and I guess the entire album is available on Spotify etc. I feel to lazy to log in ;-) but did listen several of the 30 second previews. At first I thought: why? Isn't this superfluous? But after listening, it sounds to me like a very good album.

 

17/10/2019 1:32 am  #11


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I love whenever they stereofy or add newly orchestrated stereo accompaniment to classic old mono records.  Anytime there is a "re-mix" as they like to call these things I will generally buy it.  I have heard some VERY bad remixes to Billie Holiday songs and I have heard some EXCELLENT better than the original remix versions of Dinah Washington and Shirley Bassey records.  I liked those remix CDs that came out, maybe 10 years ago, of Bing's classic Christmas songs (sources were from radio recordings) I esp. liked the remix rock drumming versions of Bing's White Christmas.   That thing is habit forming to listen to.  And I have heard some truly fantastic remix versions of Patsy Cline songs, among the many great Patsy remixes is a newly created duet with Willie Nelson now singing a "duet" version of "Life Is Like A Mountain Railroad" with Patsy, it's beautiful.  

So, all this means I'm thrilled to pieces to finally hear EXCELLENT stereo sound versions of Bing's old Christmas classics.   NOW what I don't like, assuming reports here are true, is they're using the original 1942 vocal recording of Bing's White Christmas, I wish they had used Bing's vocal from the 1947 version, as I much prefer Bing's more natural styling of the late '40's rather than Bing's highly stylized (almost stereotypical sounding Bing) way he sang songs in the early '30's and the way he fancified his singing on the 1942 version, that for lack of a better term yodeling effect he does in the '42 version as he sings "Dre-he-he-ha-ming of a Whi-hi-hite Christmas"   His singing on the '47 version eliminated that overdoing it.  So I wish they had used the '47 vocal (assuming they didn't, as far as I know, maybe they did, won't know till I hear it)

And I really really wish they DID NOT include that awful Bowie song he does, I can't stand that thing and it seems to pop up in every Bing Christmas collection, no matter what the label is.   I hate it. 

OH, and I really love that they're re-orchestrating Bing's original version of "Christmas Song" which is one of the worst audio sounding records I've ever heard of Bing's Decca records.  His many radio recordings of Christmas Song are so much better sounding (audio quality wise) than that Decca record.  But the problem with the Decca original was the muddled and muffled sound, so I don't know if they can improve Bing's vocal clarity or not, I know they can add great stereo orchestration, but will they be able to clarify and correct the muffled Decca Bing vocal?  

So, can't wait to get this new orchestrated version.  This is something I have wished they'd do ever since these remix versions started coming out.   My wishes are finally coming true!!  Now I want next to see a newly stereo orchestrated versions of Bing's classic records of the '40's.   My favorite CD is that one Robert Parker did way back when to Bing's classic '40's songs, but a newly recorded stereo orchestra backing up Bing's original vocals on these '40's and '50's hits would be ideal!   This is my next prediction of the future.  You can thank me for my long ago prediction and wish that there'd be a colorized Holiday Inn, I was ecstatic when that finally happened too.

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17/10/2019 1:48 am  #12


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frans wrote:

Hi David, where have you heard Bing with the LSO's  White Christmas? I only know of the promotion video with snippets of songs (which is mentioned above in this thread). I would like to hear the preview of White Christmas you are referring to.

The entire new version of White Christmas is available:




 

 

17/10/2019 6:36 am  #13


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Thank you for finding that David. 
I had only found the promotional item. Odd that a full track has been released through Youtube in advance of the formal issue.
 

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17/10/2019 4:03 pm  #14


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I have not been a fan of these "re-recordings" overall. Maybe the one done with Ella is still OK to my ears. However, anything to keep Bing "alive"...even if it's only another Christmas release...is surely welcomed. I am surprised at the rather inexpensive price of the CD despite the rather large undertaking this production was. Alos, that (in these days of "vinyl revival") there is not an LP issue offered.

The "White Christmas" track sounds rather good.


All the best,
Paul M. Mock
 

17/10/2019 4:10 pm  #15


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paulmock wrote:

I have not been a fan of these "re-recordings" overall. Maybe the one done with Ella is still OK to my ears. However, anything to keep Bing "alive"...even if it's only another Christmas release...is surely welcomed. I am surprised at the rather inexpensive price of the CD despite the rather large undertaking this production was. Alos, that (in these days of "vinyl revival") there is not an LP issue offered.

The "White Christmas" track sounds rather good.

I wish an LP was offered. I would be more excited to buy that. Ella wasn't too bad, but I wasn't impressed with what I heard on the 1942 version of White Christmas. Like Lee, I think the 1947 is the far superior version of White Christmas.
 

 

17/10/2019 4:15 pm  #16


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These should never be used for comparisons to the originals. These are purely done for sound update/refreshments.


All the best,
Paul M. Mock
 

17/10/2019 4:18 pm  #17


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I agree. I don't mind these re-orchestras but what Ken Barnes did in the late 70s is where the bar is set for me.

The orchestration seems off or maybe too loud behind Bing's 1942 vocal.

Anyone else have an opinion?

 

17/10/2019 7:26 pm  #18


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Congrats to the LSO for taking on this project.
Amazing how they can snuff out the original orchestration.
Don’t think I’ll be buying ‘At My Time Of Life’ with much sand at the bottom of the glass and not too many Christmases left, not unless I manage another 85 years.

 

18/10/2019 11:18 am  #19


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Thank you David, for the link to White Christmas.

I agree with Paul Mock that these recreations should not be compared with the originals.  Why should we do that anyway: we don't compare new (changed or expanded) editions of books with the orginal in this way either.

To me, the orchestra track of White Christmas sounds fine. Having said my piece on comparing, it should be noted though that there is not just a new orchestral track; Bing's voice track is not entirely identical to the voice track of the 1942 original too. I will try to keep an open mind and listen to the cd when released as a new 'abridged as wel as expanded' edition.

 

18/10/2019 11:23 am  #20


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Talking about the digital wizardry that goes into releases like these and which are becoming easier and easier to make, I recently came across this item:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_su81LCPi8Y

I could not find out who this mr. Dunklint is. A google search leads to scandinavian websites where I cannot find a connection to music of any kind. Could it be this mr. Dunklint just made this video himself for the fun of it? If you know how, it's entirely feasible to do this on your home computer.

Can anyone shed a light on this?

 

18/10/2019 11:29 am  #21


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I like it...

Like Lee, I wish they’d used the ‘47 version, but I suppose what Lee calls “stereotypical Bing” might make it more appealing to a wider general audience. I miss the whistling and Bing harmonising with The Ken Darby Singers at the end of the song, but I think we’re all agreed that nothing can beat the originals...

Can’t wait to hear the whole thing.

(Go on, Ron, buy it... You know you want to..!)

 

18/10/2019 9:18 pm  #22


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While the Ken Barnes orchestrated versions will always be favored by me over the original Buddy Cole versions the far superior, better than Barnes' (this I'm sure due to the vast improvements with sound technology since the 1979) my favorite re-orchestrated CD of Bing's radio recordings is the Bing & Rosie New Recordings:
https://www.amazon.com/Bing-Crosby-Rosemary-Clooney-Recordings/dp/B00FTJ10TM/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=BING+CROSBY+%26+ROSEMARY+CLOONEY%3A+THE+NEW+RECORDINGS%22&qid=1571431819&sr=8-1
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.shopify.com%2Fs%2Ffiles%2F1%2F0701%2F3739%2Fproducts%2F91ZafKV0sCL._SL1500_1024x1024.jpg%3Fv%3D1416197773&f=1&nofb=1

The sound quality of both Bing & Rosie's voice on these newer reorchestrated Cole recordings is so much better than Barnes', a live sounding slight echo on the vocals improves these over the '79 ones and a very defined true stereo orchestra playing along with the vocals just adds to the listening pleasure.   It's superior and is by far my favorite of the re-orchestraded Bing CDs.  

OH, and here for your own listening pleasure is that Patsy Cline/Willie Nelson duet I talked about above, it's a beaut:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOkYH6sV9lw

But if I really had my druthers as to which of Bing's White Christmas recordings that they should have used to do the brand new re-orchestrated version it would be the 1955 White Christmas recording Decca released that was originally recorded for Bing's Christmas Eve radio hour long broadcast "Christmas Around The World".   That '55 recording Bing did of White Christmas is my all time favorite Bing version, you can hear what I'm talking about here, go to the 7 minute mark that's where Bing sings my favorite version.  This same recording was used as a Decca single too in '55 or '56:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1VX9PG5Vhs
As far as rather getting an actual album of this new Bing Christmas re-mix CD is concerned, I'd rather get the CD version, it's so much handier than an album.  Not to mention I can't download anything onto my computer with an album, meaning the only way to hear it would be to lug out the album instead of allowing the music to simply play over my Media Play on my computer.

At any rate, this is all GREAT NEWS for Bingsters!

Now Bing company people, let's see a DVD set of all of Bing's Christmas TV specials and the complete series of Bing's TV sitcom.

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18/10/2019 9:27 pm  #23


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P.S.
Here's the CD that contains the 1955 Decca record of White Christmas, on this CD the song is isolated all to itself, not surrounded with the rest of the radio show:
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fcps-static.rovicorp.com%2F3%2FJPG_250%2FMI0000%2F264%2FMI0000264777.jpg%3Fpartner%3Dallrovi.com&f=1&nofb=1

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bing+crosby+the+ep+collection&t=h_&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2Fcps-static.rovicorp.com%2F3%2FJPG_250%2FMI0000%2F264%2FMI0000264777.jpg%3Fpartner%3Dallrovi.com

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22/10/2019 1:04 pm  #24


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There's a new and longer sampler available, this time with previews of ALL the songs on the album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RK0tyrvq2U

Can't wait to hear the album!

 

22/10/2019 1:08 pm  #25


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frans wrote:

There's a new and longer sampler available, this time with previews of ALL the songs on the album:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RK0tyrvq2U

Can't wait to hear the album!

Thanks for finding that Fran! Not to be negative, but after listening to the tracks I'll be sticking to the originals.

 

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