12/5/2020 9:00 am  #1


Colorization

https://youtube.com/watch?v=urLHU9kXxGA
I found a program that colorizes videos, and I made a few colonizations, although this one turned out the best so far.

Last edited by ModernBingFan0377 (12/5/2020 9:02 am)


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12/5/2020 1:07 pm  #2


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Looks good!

 

13/5/2020 4:18 am  #3


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Yes, I think that it looks good. What program you used to made such things? Can you share this informatoion?

 

13/5/2020 4:53 am  #4


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It's called DeOldifier, although it's a google notebook application type thing, it's a bit complicated, but it runs in web browser and there are a few tutorials on YouTube.


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13/5/2020 4:59 am  #5


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Ok, I'll try to understand as much as I can. Thank you very much, because it was also hard for me to make something black and white earlier, if it was colored as part of colored film and all my video in general should have been black and white. 

 

13/5/2020 9:38 am  #6


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This is great! Lots of opportunities for the future.

 

13/5/2020 1:13 pm  #7


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ModernBingFan0377 wrote:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=urLHU9kXxGA
I found a program that colorizes videos, and I made a few colonizations, although this one turned out the best so far.

Very good.

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13/5/2020 4:09 pm  #8


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No doubt some films will look nice in colour but then others would be best to leave alone.
One that comes to mind immediately, and I haven’t seen it for donks, is Little Boy Lost to remain B & W. Probably Riding High as well-wish that was shown on TV.

 

13/5/2020 4:16 pm  #9


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I feel that when colorizing movies, they should colorize the more lighthearted stuff like comedy or musicals as usually in dramas or action movies of the time they take more advantage of black and white, whereas Holiday Inn for instance looks like it should be a color film a lo of the time.


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19/5/2020 3:27 pm  #10


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Candidates for colourisation in the "Road" films would be first "Road To Morocco" I suggest.  "Road To Rio" another perhaps?   There is one scene early on in the film which might face objections today (the simple-minded person & the speech defect market scene).   The same kind of thing arises in "Holiday Inn" with the blacking-up scene. The following appears on the Web:

"........It also doesn’t tell us whether TCM has been right to show Holiday Inn in its entirety, or whether AMC has been right to cut out the “Abraham” number. Me, I watch Holiday Inn on a DVD with the complete film. That DVD also contains a colorized version. I have never watched the colorized version and I never will, because I like watching the film as it was originally conceived, the good and the bad. “Abraham” is a bad part. It isn’t even a particularly good song. I’m just not sure that we move forward by pretending that song, and that America, never happened....."

In recent years, there indeed was the special edition of the 1942 "Holiday Inn" film (Bing Crosby and Fred Astaire) that was successfully colourised, also Tyrone Power and Linda Darnell in the "Mark of Zorro" (1940). Some years before, "Jailhouse Rock" (MGM 1958), Elvis's third film, was colourised for a special video boxset (not DVD in those days).    I read that Orson Welles inserted a clause in his will (I think it was) pleading that Ted Turner not be allowed to turn "Citizen Kane" into a colour movie - this was considered legally when it was pointed out that the original contract was to provide a "black & white" movie!

 

20/5/2020 1:09 am  #11


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You know, if you've read my opinion on colorization in the past that I love colorizing B/W movies, I'd much prefer watching something in color instead of b/w anytime.  I love Casablanca in color.

BUT, this homemade process called Deoldify really does a poor job.  It very much reminds me of colorizing when it was in it's infancy in 1985.  I have the original Maltese Falcon as it was originally colorized back in the '80's and it looks as bad as this homemade process.   Colorization when it's done right (witness the I Love Lucy shows recently done or go to:
http://pop-colorture.com/
for a real EXPERT job of colorizing, this is colorizing done right)  when it's done right as it is done today it looks absolutely GREAT, it's so perfect you'd think the film was shot in color originally.   But just like colorization used to do in it's infancy in 1985 this Deoldify system just places orange blobs on skin and blue blobs on clothes.   Really the only colors it uses is a weak orange and blue.   But even worse the color blobs don't even follow the hands or the head quickly enough.  So you'll see gray skin every time there's quick motion.

Now what I'd like  to see is the Deoldify system to really modernize itself so that people can colorize expertly instead of this ancient colorization style.   This colorization style in the infancy of the process was what gave colorization a bad name which people who don't know any better still think is the state of the art for today.   It is not, real professionally done colorization looks perfect, no blobs, accurate multiple colors everywhere and the colors don't gray out when there's quick movement.   

So yes, I love colorization and I give these people credit for using what they have, I just wish Deoldify would have waited till they perfected it before they released their product to the public.  Whatever company comes around in the future they need to utilize a much more modern technique to color.   As it is now this old poor style of colorizing is just going to give colorization a bad name.   Go here for REAL colorization examples:
http://pop-colorture.com/

 

20/5/2020 9:43 am  #12


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Fascinating subject. Does anyone colourise photos and which app or software do you use?

 

20/5/2020 10:00 am  #13


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John Turner wrote:

Fascinating subject. Does anyone colourise photos and which app or software do you use?

I think, John that your answer is at the very start of this thread. The software is "DeOldifier" and it caters for stills and movies apparently. I have been sent a couple of samples and you can see the result of ModerBingFan's work by following his link.

There are other software programmes for colouring still photos.

An internet search on "image colorizing software" brings up quite a number including this review of five free applications. https://medium.com/@photoj/colorize-black-and-white-photos-free-ed5b36f1efe5 
 

 

20/5/2020 1:28 pm  #14


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Richard Baker wrote:

John Turner wrote:

Fascinating subject. Does anyone colourise photos and which app or software do you use?

I think, John that your answer is at the very start of this thread. The software is "DeOldifier" and it caters for stills and movies apparently. I have been sent a couple of samples and you can see the result of ModerBingFan's work by following his link.

There are other software programmes for colouring still photos.

An internet search on "image colorizing software" brings up quite a number including this review of five free applications. https://medium.com/@photoj/colorize-black-and-white-photos-free-ed5b36f1efe5 
 

Thanks Richard!

 

22/5/2020 1:47 am  #15


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Dear Archiefit,

I got a surprise to read your posting of the 20th May that "CASABLANCA" has been colourised!  I immediately went to check on what is available via Google/Amazon/E-Bay but noticed that the reviews of some versions say that an inferior print was used, or the sound is poor or the picture is not sharp.

Another review suggests that an earlier colourisation process was used.

Is this an official Warner Bros. product?  If so, please do you have a reference (date, single or double boxset, etc) so that the best version can be identified.  I saw a short scene in colour on the Web with Peter Lorre but it looks to have a rather yellow/orange tint (a bit like fake tan!).

 

22/5/2020 6:26 am  #16


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My Heritage I believe is able to colourise old photos. Interesting to see great great grandparents in colour

 

23/5/2020 12:50 am  #17


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Yes, VictorM, colorized Casablanca was an official release on VHS tape.   This was pre-DVD days.  It was put out by MGM/UA Home Video Turner is also listed on the back.  It was originally shown in the U.S. on Ted Turner's TBS station and later sent around the country to local TV stations as part of Turner's colorized movies.   This was all back in the glory days before the politically correct busy bodies started complaining about their oh so sensitive sensibilities in seeing something in color (the way it was meant).   

So back then I taped it myself from TBS but about 6 months or so (maybe it was a year, I don't remember exactly)  after that broadcast the official VHS tape was released.   I loved it so much I had at one time bought 3 different copies.  It was put out in 1989, this was still relatively young in the history of colorizing, so no, it's not as perfect as you see in that modern day technology demonstrated in those
 http://pop-colorture.com/  website examples but it still looks really very good.   They took extra care when they colorized this movie because it was an important release they wanted to get right.  All items in each frame have separate colors to themselves there isn't the old primitive style of orange and blue blobs covering people (which this Deoldify home brew system reminds me of) it's a very nicely done job, esp. considering it was done in 1989 about 4 years after colorizing began.  Maltese Falcon, for example, done in '85 or '86 has the orange and blue blob look.   So I was very impressed with the way they did Casablanca.   I later transferred my VHS tape over to DVD so that I'd have it that way to watch in the future, now that's the only way I ever watch Casablanca the colorized copy on DVD that I made from the MGM VHS release.  Here's a picture of the original VHS commercial release, a picture of my VHS tape that I bought:
https://s.ecrater.com/stores/78505/48acd9884da87_78505b.jpg

 

23/5/2020 1:38 am  #18


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Dear Archiefit,

Thank you very much for your detailed reply and information.

When I got Elvis's "Jailhouse Rock" colourised version of the 1957 film on VHS and by MGM/UA Home Video - that was 28 years ago in 1992, but I have never seen a Dvd colourised version of the film.  The film I really would love to see of Elvis's in colour is "King Creole" (1958).  Elvis's second film "Loving You" (1957) was in glorious colour as originally released.

I am going to check again what Dvd versions of "Casablanca" in colour are available to purchase and read again what people have said in their reviews though sometimes the reviews get bundled together for different versions! 

Your videotape version has a lovely cover. I presume that it is in PAL (not NTSC).

Thanks again.
 

 

23/5/2020 2:13 am  #19


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No, I live in the U.S. the tape is indeed a NTSC tape, if it were PAL I'd never be able to watch.   As far as there being an official DVD release of the colorized version?   No, this never happened.   This all came out Pre-DVD days and by the time DVDs were made commercially the anti-color people had already forced poor gutless Turner to stop making color versions.   But, that doesn't mean however you won't be able to find a DVD copy that someone made off of their VHS tape.   I used to see people selling a DVD of the color version but this was always an unofficial copy that someone recorded themselves (like I had to do if I ever wanted to watch it on DVD) using the VHS version as the source.   I don't know if Ebay still sells bootlegs like this, I think they stopped.

 

23/5/2020 1:46 pm  #20


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Thank you very much Archiefit.  I see that you live in America.  My grandmother was born in Memphis, Tennessee (but I didn't know her).  A cousin (who I once met in London about 40 years ago when my mother was alive) was a District Attorney in California and his father (my uncle) who moved to California when he was quite young was the editor of a newspaper (San Fernando?).

I currently have a Sony DVD Player that accepts NTSC discs and I think a video box that converts NTSC tapes to PAL somewhere stored away, but I've forgotten how that works!

Maybe one day, we will have an official DVD release as with Bing Crosby & Fred Astaire's "Holiday Inn". As I recall, "Blue Skies" was made in colour.

Even if someone clever colourised just the songs from Bing, Bob & Dorothy's "Road" films prior to "Road To Bali" (1952), this would be nice.  Bing's scene in "Road To Morocco" (1942) singing "Moonlight Becomes You" to Dorothy also the opening song.  Of course, I'd love to see Dorothy Lamour singing "Constantly", "You're Dangerous", "The Moon and the Willow", "Personality" and so on in colour.  See how nice "Moonflowers" is which was filmed in colour with all the colourful costumes and background.  It's also a shame that Peggy Lee (as good as she is) was apparently used in some commercial recordings replacing Dorothy Lamour, in my opinion rather spoiling the artistic integrity of the originally assembled filmstars.  As Ron noted in an earlier posting, perhaps Dorothy was not always treated quite as well as she deserved for commercial reasons.

 

23/5/2020 10:57 pm  #21


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I'm not a collector of Dorothy Lamour records, but my guess is she must have been on a different label other than Decca, this was also the reason why Rosemary Clooney didn't appear on the Decca White Christmas "soundtrack" album, Rosie was with Columbia records at the time.  I don't think there was ever a sinister plot against Dorothy she was just not on the same label as Bing and horrors to anyone not on Decca.   At least as far as Decca was concerned.

 

24/5/2020 6:41 am  #22


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Archiefit wrote:

I'm not a collector of Dorothy Lamour records, but my guess is she must have been on a different label other than Decca,

Most of her recordings (and there were not many) through the 30s and 40s were on RCA Bluebird, so that seems to be a likely assumption, but oddly in 1944 there was a collection on Decca of eight Hawaiian songs on four shellac 78s, which were later issued on an LP. 

By the 50s she does not seem be tied to any regular label.

 

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