Recording » Official UK Singles Charts Celebrates 60 Years » 21/7/2017 11:23 am

Jim,

You can see Bing's placings in the Official UK charts by following this link
I too thought that Tie A Yellow Ribbon charted but I can find no reference. 
There are separate figures for duets - with Grace Kelly here, Jane Wyman here, and David Bowie here

Recording » Bing with Eddie Condon - new alternate takes? » 12/7/2017 11:28 am

frans wrote:

Richard, I don't have the set either and am not even certain whether or not these alternate takes are on the set. I guess it would be much wiser to inform at Mosaic Records than dashing of the $ 136 for the set.

Frans, your hint is a salutary corrective to me. The alternatives listed on the Mosaic site are part of their discographical listing and not of the tracks included in the set.
I'll venture the guess that in accordance with their slightly elliptical note that the sides no longer exist, which would answer many possible questions, though I would still have expected that they might have been included in (for example) Morgereth's book which includes such items as "hold indefinitely" or "hold conditional" and "destroyed" from the studio records. 



 
 

Recording » Bing with Eddie Condon - new alternate takes? » 11/7/2017 10:50 pm

Frans,  that is very interesting, and a little puzzling that no one among the Crosby community seems to have noticed.

Also very puzzling that, so far as I am aware, none of the Crosby researchers who had access to the Decca archives have come up with the listing.
I wonder, does any one among us have the Condon/ Freeman set? Personally I'm not too keen to dash off $136 in the expectation that there might be some interesting alternates. Different master numbers are not always a reliable indication, because some were created by dubbing.
 

Recording » Return to Paradise Islands » 06/7/2017 11:05 pm

Anton G.-F. wrote:

Ron,

As you say, Holiday in Europe is available for digital download on British Amazon here:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Holiday-Europe-Remastered-Bing-Crosby/dp/B007LREFCE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1499375168&sr=8-2&keywords=crosby+holiday+europe

AGF

If you attach importance to sound quality and if the short sample tracks that you can stream from this site are anything to go by, it is best avoided. 
The sound is coarse and mono. It is not an accurate reflection of the sound of the original, still less of the superb Japanese MCA CD. The label is stated to be "Techniche Label OMP" with copyright claimed by "One Media Publishing" which seems very doubtful.

I suspect that fact alone is the reason for the non appearance on US Amazon, and the whole thing, including the "cover" looks wrong to me.

 

 


 

Recording » Return to Paradise Islands » 06/7/2017 6:30 am

Ron1972 wrote:

"Return to Paradise Islands" is probably the one album from the 60's that surprises me the most. I had read Steven Lewis' evaluation (pretty dismal) and Ken Barnes didn't feel it worth mentioning but I feel this might be one of his most enjoyable efforts of the decade!

"Ron1972", In some ways I can understand the comments you make about this and other albums. The evaluations that you quote are of course personal opinions and others might differ to some degree but I think that it is important to bear in mind that those evaluations were very largely based on comparisons with the extraordinarily high standards set by some others.

I doubt that any would disagree that of the recordings from the late 50s onwards, "Fancy Meeting You Here" and "Bing and Satchmo" set a very high standard against which some others could be something of a disappointment. I can enjoy all but the frequency with which I pull out the Paradise Islands and Country Hits albums relative to Fancy Meeting You Here is possibly something like 1 to 10 or worse.

The years when these albums were recorded are fresh in my memory. I remember the excitement with which we received them, the expectation with which we looked forward to receiving any announced issue, and the relative disappointment with which we received a few. 
 


 

Recording » Official UK Singles Charts Celebrates 60 Years » 29/6/2017 1:29 pm

Brunswick78 wrote:

Thanks for conforming that. It makes more sense than it being the Mischa Spoliansky song!

Spoliansky wrote the music for a film with that title in 1930 and I suspect that the identity was incorrectly linked through another database that I have, onto the Crosby discography. I'll tell David Currington who now maintains the discography.   

There was another song "Auf Wiedersehen, My Dear" sung by Bing on radio in the 1930s (recordings of which do not appear to have survived) which I suppose might possibly be connected to Spoliansky. Just to complicate matters, the two songs are listed together, as one, by Timothy Morgereth in his " Discography, Radio Program List and Filmography".


 

Radio » Command Performance #86 September 25, 1943 » 17/6/2017 7:21 am

Command Performance hosted by Bob Hope with Bing's involvement on Saturday, September 25, 1943 here on Star Spangled Radio Hour on Cruisin' 1430.
Stream it or download it.

Bing has been absent from Star Spangled Radio Hour for a while, so a welcome return.
Bing sings On Moonlight Bay with the Charioteers, and duets with Frances Langford on These Foolish Things.


 

Film » Road films on Bluray? » 16/6/2017 11:10 am

Frans, I don't know where you obtained the copyright information but Rio came first, in 1947, with Bali in 1952, so I would have expected any rights to expire in that order. Both were Paramount and I believe that rights are likely to have been retained for so long as they are available to the holders.

Bali was in colour (the only one of the "road" films), which might explain the price difference.

Film » Road films on Bluray? » 16/6/2017 6:52 am

Frans,

The issue of the two films you mention is part of a release of a sequence of Bob Hope films.

More details on the Blu Ray consortium website here 

I have the impression that Blu Ray issues are required by the terms of the licence to meet certain technical standards though I'm sure there is some variation about how meticulous the producers are in going back to original prints. Clearly you should expect an improvement compared with DVD.  

I, like you, have become only too aware that the information on the Amazon sites can be misleading or inadequate about such matters as regional coding.

 

Recording » Some Fine Old Chestnuts, Songs I Wish I Had Sung The First Time Aroun » 05/6/2017 5:31 pm

A problem that confronts all those with aspirations to have anything like a "complete" collection I'm afraid and there is no answer, or if there is I have not found it. However the DeLuxe editions do pretty near double up on the content and the "extras" are not very easily found elsewhere. 

The Deluxe albums are on Spotify for free streaming if you can accept the advertising. You can also buy downloads of individual tracks from them and from Amazon and others.

Speaking as one who has been buying and exchanging records for over 60 years now I have had the added problem of working through different formats - 78 rpm discs, LPs and 45s (singles and EPs) cassette tapes and CD. In addition I once embarked on a project to copy everything I had onto reel to reel tape (in order to eliminate duplication). That was replaced by Minidisc. Then digitised formats came along and the process started over again.  

  
 

Recording » Some Fine Old Chestnuts, Songs I Wish I Had Sung The First Time Aroun » 05/6/2017 9:48 am

Hi Ron1972,
I'm pleased to see that you are making such progress!. But you have now run into one of the perennial problems encountered by keen collectors, that of duplication. 

By avoiding duplication you might miss out on tracks that are only on a CD that otherwise contains things you don't need!

In respect of the titles you ask about - 
"Songs I Wish I Had Sung" as an LP had twelve tracks, as did a CD issue.

The DeLuxe version has a total  of 22 tracks, adding ten tracks from radio recordings in similar style .

Similarly “Some Fine Old Chestnuts” and “New Tricks” each had twelve tracks but the two were reissued together by MCA in 1998 as a single CD.

The DeLuxe edition of “Chestnuts” does not include the tracks from New Tricks but adds other radio material.

The DeLuxe editions include much more comprehensive notes and have the benefit of remastering over the last few years which might arguably have improved the sound though all were very good in the first place. All were however in mono. The New Tricks and Chestnuts albums all have Buddy Cole and his Trio as accompanists (piano, guitar, bass and drums).

Full details of the DeLuxe editions are on the Bingcrosby.com site 
Otherwise browse through the online Discography but because many of the items you ask about originated on the radio, some searching is involved, and it might be easier to start in the section relating to CD issues
Search by using the titles of the issued CDs.

By the way, if you ever get to the 7-CD Mosaic set THE BING CROSBY RADIO RECORDINGS (1954-56)
you will also find a considerable duplication of  the Buddy Cole tracks.


 

Recording » The Hallmark label » 01/6/2017 7:41 am

Ron1972,

I'm not sure that I would attempt to get an overview of Bing's vast output on the basis of looking at the products of a particular label. I would suggest that you sample some of the many recordings available on streaming services (Spotify has a very large library of Crosby material), and work from there.

You already have a good selection of some of the later recordings so I personally would look at the earlier years with Decca.  A very good set which takes that golden era with Decca is the four CD set  BING - HIS LEGENDARY YEARS 1931 - 1957 on MCA  CDMCAD4 which unfortunately is no longer available but tracks can be streamed or downloaded from Amazon and others.

Of the records you list (not all of which I recognise as from Hallmark) the two "Home on the Range" and "Country Style" represent a comprehensive selection of Bing's C&W recordings (omitting only the later "Bing Sings The Great Country Hits" which is untypical).

Bing's Buddies and Beaus is a very good selection of the work that Bing did with duettists.

Among my own favourites (because they do give a good selection of the golden middle era) are the sets from Jasmine named Going Hollywood. There are four 2CD sets with studio, film S/T and radio recordings intermixed in an imaginative way. 

If you like Singalong type things I would point you in the direction of the recent CD "Join Bing and Sing Along 101 Gang Songs/ On The Happy Side" from Sepia.


But everyone has their own preferences and favourite periods. You must go out and find yours. There is a lot on the internet. Explore.
 

 

General Discussion » Something's Wrong Here, not able to post » 01/6/2017 7:10 am

Archiefit, I'm troubled to read that you are having problems on this board. 

If you are logged in from your registered email address and using your id and password you should not encounter any problems, and certainly not be asked to prove that you are not a robot. The fact that you have posted two successful messages is reassuring and I wonder if you are using different devices or logging in from different email addresses?

There are some protective mechanisms to prevent usage of some words or post links to dangerous sites but they should not produce the result which you describe. Could you please email me with screenshots of the messages if the problem recurs.

 
 

Recording » The Hallmark label » 31/5/2017 5:27 pm

Hallmark was a British budget label, a subsidiary of Pickwick International, operating from the late 1960s, and with backing from CBS. Some of the earliest issues were of CBS recordings but later issues went wider.

Some of Bing's issues covered radio recordings.  

A fairly complete list of their material is shown on Discogs website here, and their issues with Bing are here though on first glance I don't think this is complete.

The audio quality is usually good and selections are well chosen.
 

Recording » A Gal In Calico » 22/5/2017 6:57 am

I agree. The differences occur throughout, but all are very slight and which you pick as the defining item will I think still need side by side comparison, unlike many "alts" where there are often very obvious and conclusive differences that stand alone. 

Recording » A Gal In Calico » 18/5/2017 11:08 pm

Well, many thanks to  our "new recruit" Brunswick 78 for drawing attention to the differences.

I have been undertaking some side by side comparisons, employing my usual method of creating a stereo pair out of the different recordings. This is my personal finding
There are differences between the sounds of the orchestral accompaniment in the opening bars but I would not totally exclude the possibility that these are brought about by differences in the treatment of the audio spectrum during the mastering.

The vocal chorus seems as near identical as possible throughout. The two are certainly not attempts to produce anything different (as some alternative takes were).

Whilst differences are easily viewed on the waveform, audibly they are very minor and occur almost exclusively in Bing's timing, with very slight differences in emphasis on some words, which are difficult to describe in a coherent way without having the two playing side by side.

Forced to pick an example I would point to the line at around 1.37 where Bing sings "Guess I'd better let her know".

On the rejected take L4134-A "I'd better" sounds I'd bett - er - let 'er"
whilst on the "new" alt it sounds  "i -  'd better let 'er"  but to my old ears it only becomes obvious on a side by side comparison. 

My comparison is between the rejected take on Jonzo's Chronological Crosby Vol 42 and Arista/ Ariola/MfP MFPCD 023 "16 Original World Hits", very slightly re-timed to synchronise with each other. 
As I stated in an earlier posting Take L4169-A is easily distinguishable. 
 

Recording » A Gal In Calico » 18/5/2017 5:54 pm

Reference to Colin Pugh's book "Alternate Bing Crosby" has reminded me that he deliberated at some length about the takes of "A Gal In Calico".
Admirable though his work is, it is most unfortunate that he does not reveal in detail the sources from which he was working.

I find what he says a little confusing but on the present evidence I think there are indeed three versions (and I have also compared with the radio recordings, just to eliminate them) 

What we have is, in my view, best summed up by the following -

L4134-A (stated to be rejected) of 22 March 1946
L4169-A (the usually issued take) of 7 May 1946

An alternative which might have come from either session and now discovered by "Brunswick 78" on the Australian MfP CD "16 Original World Hits", also issued in Germany.

At 1.34 approx on L4169-A Bing sings a very positive "I'll" at the start of the second chorus.
In both the other versions he omits the word and goes straight into "-- take my gal"

The differences between the rejected take L4134-A and the Alt are more subtle.
The alt has a slightly more staccato orchestral accompaniment in the opening passage.
Throughout the Alt version Bing places more emphasis on the first word of each phrase and there are differences in timing but I am having difficulty finding a  clear and easy to identify marker. More work is indicated but my feeling, in view of the similarities, is that the Alt was recorded at the same time as the reject L4134-A and presumably rejected for the same reason - the omission of "I'll". Why it should be included on an Australian MfP/Ariola  CD issued right at the start of the CD era is beyond me. 

I do not think that minor differences in total running times can be regarded as definitive because minor differences in transcription speeds can produce startling differences over a period of two to three minutes, and issuers have been known to adjust timings in order to correct pitch.

  
 
 

Recording » A Gal In Calico » 18/5/2017 7:03 am

An interesting thought and I for one will investigate.

When I compiled the discography I was certainly not undertaking any detailed comparisons and would have assumed that a commercial LP release would have included the "standard" official recording.

But first a couple of comments

- it is an interesting and exhilarating fact that new takes are being discovered still, after all these years. Another was identified on this board this year of "Winter Wonderland" and in the last ten years or so there have been quite a number of recordings stretching back to the '30s.   

- a recording from that era would have been directly onto a 78 rpm disc and all subsequent LP issues will have been copied from a 78 rpm disc. They are all dubbings, the only thing varying being the quality of the disc being copied. The "official" Decca /Brunswick releases should in theory have come from something pretty close to the original master, "unofficial" issues from commercially released pressings.    

New and Re-issued materials » "The Bible Story of Christmas narrated by Bing Crosby" NEW! » 01/5/2017 3:25 pm

Bing's narration is listed in most discographies but the original LP had very limited circulation.

Bing's reading is clear and the new issue (which I have had the privilege of hearing) displays his rich voice very well. 

Bing's reading of several verses of Luke Ch 2, verses 4-20 introduces traditional carols on eight tracks, whilst the ninth track has the complete reading.

Something different to bring out at Christmas to add to all those other recordings of Bing singing carols or Christmas songs 

Interesting to note that the issue is also on vinyl LP.


 

Links » Radio Times Archive » 11/4/2017 8:46 am

On another thread I have mentioned the Radio Times online archive, which will eventually cover all radio and TV programmes listed in the Radio Times, covering all national and local BBC stations since 1923 up to 2009..

As might be expected there are numerous mentions of Bing.
The project has been tackled by means of optical character recognition and all those who have used such systems know that there is considerable scope for characters and words to be mis-identified.
The BBC accepts additions and amendments but before anyone rushes in I have already submiited a large number relating to Bing, and on experience so far, the BBC takes some time to catch up with them. I have concentrated on factual errors, ignoring minor issues such as misleading punctuation.

The very first chronologically is "Bing" shown as "Liing" in July 1933.

The site is http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/

It is interesting to see that the BBC were producing their own radio dramatisations of some of Bing's films, mentioning the use of singers who sound like Bing! 
 


 

Recording » Ken Sykora interviews Bing » 10/4/2017 4:19 pm

Richard Baker wrote:

Malcolm Macfarlane wrote:

Here's a nice interview with Bing from the 1960s. See https://www.mixcloud.com/FiveFeet/ken-sykora-interviews-bing-crosby/

I assume this could be the broadcast of 1st August 1967, at 20:12 on the old "Light" programme, and repeated 21st December 1967, on Radio 4 at 16:05 and presumably recorded in the summer of 1967 when Bing was in London.
 

 - though I now see that there was a programme called "Be My Guest" on 14th January 1967 described as 
Bing Crosby says Be My Guest and in conversation with KEN SYKORA he recalls some of the music and artists from the early Thirties

Were they all the same? Who can accurately recall? I used to listen to Ken Sykora but I haven't a clue!

 

Recording » Ken Sykora interviews Bing » 10/4/2017 10:42 am

Malcolm Macfarlane wrote:

Here's a nice interview with Bing from the 1960s. See https://www.mixcloud.com/FiveFeet/ken-sykora-interviews-bing-crosby/

I assume this could be the broadcast of 1st August 1967, at 20:12 on the old "Light" programme, and repeated 21st December 1967, on Radio 4 at 16:05 and presumably recorded in the summer of 1967 when Bing was in London.

Incidentally, there is an ongoing project to digitise and place online a listing of all programmes broadcast by the BBC since 1923, covering all channels and both radio and TV. There are now 1,191 entries relating to programmes either about or featuring Bing. These include interviews, showings of the films, radio dramatisations and shows from US radio and TV networks, etc. There is no audio or video content - it is a straiht listing of programmes but it is an interesting browse. The BBC welcomes additions and corrections.
 

New and Re-issued materials » Join Bing & Sing Along » 06/4/2017 2:12 pm

Thomas wrote:

Obviously Malcolm Macfarlane was also involved in the process of compiling the CDs as he gets a friendly mention in the attached booklet.

Pretty deeply, because he was responsible for writing the comprehensive notes and pulling much of the issue together. 

Thomas, the "friendly mention" is intended to explain Malcolm's credentials for writing the notes - not that many members of the ICC or subscribers to this board need that explanation, but we hope that purchasers of the CDs will extend far beyond that circle.


 

Others of Note » Alice Ludes » 02/4/2017 10:17 am

-and there was the experience of going to a strange town, finding a different dealer and browsing their racks.

But life wasn't just made simpler by the internet. Long before that it was the dealers (and one or two fellow enthusiasts) who circulated lists of all their stock, new imports and special offers. You could go through them all, marking preferences and letting out involuntary whoops of joy when you found something new. Most disconcerting to my fellow train commuters back in the 70's and 80's on the days I had just received a new list in the mail. Then there was the dismal task of deciding what you could or could not justify including in your order. 

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